Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

[alessioblaupunkt]

Hello,
could someone give me information about these capacitors?

I found the picture on Google, but mine reports these letters:

47uF T 16V PH036 (plus others letters)

220uF (I forgot the letter) 25V PH036 (plus others letters)

Are these general purpouse or low esr or low impedance?

The 47uF T 16V comes from a 1992 automotive electronic board for door locking, the 220uF 25V comes from a 1987 tv and it supplies a microprocessor.

[selldoor]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

Are you attempting to repair the items you mention or is it just from interest.
Have you tested them?
Someone may have come across them and can answer your question -I would just try good brand solid caps with the correct values and dimensions and lead spacing and see if they work.

[kc8adu]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

never did find datasheet for these.had a bunch of em in a siemens servo power supply.
replaced with fm and zl as they were on the shelf.was an emergency job so i just looked it over and determined that either would be overkill.it is just fine a year later.

[PeteS in CA]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

BC Components may have bought Phillips' 'lytics lines. Anyway, those are 2 decades old, and modern low impedance caps are far better than low impedance caps of that time. I'm tempted to say that 105C general purpose caps will be adequate, but Nichicon PW, United Chemicon LXZ or Panasonic FC series parts should be safe choices, regardless of whether those PH036 caps were general purpose or low impedance.

[alessioblaupunkt]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

The 47uF are still good but there is a significant esr compared with others brand new capacitors:

Philips PH036 > Jamicon WG > Elna RE2J > Suncon WX

One question:
Why does Jamicon WG are supposed to be low impedance if even a general porpouse
capacitor such as Elna RE2J has low value?

Test done at 200mVpp @ 100 kHz @ 15 degrees Celsius, 60 or 70% Relative humidity.
Number of item tested:

2x Philips PH036 (used, 1992)
2x Jamicon WG ( new, 2011)
4x Elna RE2J (new, 31st week 2009)
2x Suncon WX ( new, 2011)

Thank you all.

[redwire]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

In the pic, those capacitors look potted, instead of a rubber seal? I've only seen that with polymer types like OS-CON. I thought electrolytics can generate hydrogen so they are not hermetically sealed.

[japlytic]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

If I remember correctly, BC Components has been taken over by Vishay.

[PeteS in CA]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

In the pic, those capacitors look potted, instead of a rubber seal? I've only seen that with polymer types like OS-CON.

I think that is largely true now, but epoxy end seal was common in the 1980s in some low ESR series (e.g. UCC RZ and RZA, Sprague 673D, 674D, 676D & 677D). I'm not sure whether the Phillips caps that are the subject of this thread have epoxy end seal or plain surface rubber bungs.

BC Components is indeed part of Evil Empire II (Vishay, a company that has grown by acquisition, has many good products, but a horribly user-unfriendly website!). I don't think of BC Components as being better than any other supplier of general purpose parts. I would not be surprised to learn that they have "their" parts made by a contract manufacturer, with the logo on the sleeve being the only thing that is truly "theirs".

[alessioblaupunkt]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

In the pic, those capacitors look potted...

Rubber seal.
The image has poor resolution.

Vishay acquired BC long time ago.
I already consulted the document 28398 in Vishay.com, but these are not listed even in discontinued.
Six months ago I wrote to Vishay to ask them some information but in the email I listed 4 different type of electrolytics:

Philips 035GV 47uF 25V ( year 1987 )
Philips 036KO 220uF 25V ( year 1987 )
ROE EGD 47uF 250V ( year 1987 )

Philips 035QS 680uF 40V ( year 1992 )

The answer?
Easy and meaningless: replaced them with 142 RHS series = a generic 105C

End of the story.

For my Volkswagen (electronic board for door lock), I bought 2 Rubycon ZLJ 47uF 35 V to replace the Philips 47uF T 16V PH036.

but a horribly user-unfriendly website!

Vishay as Epcos. You have to trouble a little but you'll have all the GOOD information.
Vishay acquired the REAL German Telefunken ( nothing to do with the Telefunken stick attached in the front panel of today Telefunken lcd tv designed and made in Turkey )

So Vishay and Epcos are German, this might be the reason you have to fight to find the good information.

[PeteS in CA]

Re: Philips PH036 what type of electrolityc?

Telefunken was one of Vishay's earlier acquisitions, I believe, in the mid-late 80s. I think Epcos was originally a joint venture between Panasonic and Siemens. Siemens moved their film capacitors and ferrites into Epcos. Over time Panasonic and then Siemens pulled out, leaving Epcos an independent company.