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  • oldtopman
    New Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 4

    #1

    New PS

    I have an Antec SP-350 in my computer and heard it was responsible for many mobo deaths. Is there a good cheap PS I can buy?
  • TheLaw
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Jan 2011
    • 477

    #2
    Re: New PS

    How cheap is cheap?

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    • retiredcaps
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2010
      • 9271

      #3
      Re: New PS

      Originally posted by oldtopman
      I have an Antec SP-350 in my computer and heard it was responsible for many mobo deaths.
      Search this board for posts by everell and his DM311 mod.

      And yes, one of my friend's motherboard was fried due to the Antec SP-350 5V STB rail failing high (around 11V DC).
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      • c_hegge
        Badcaps Legend
        • Sep 2009
        • 5219
        • Australia

        #4
        Re: New PS

        Depending on how cheap you consider to be affordable, one of my favourittes is the corsair VX450. It has entirely Japanese caps, and is one of the best out there. Personally, I consider Antec StupidPowers (Smartpower) and early TruePowers to be worse (ie. less reliable) than even the really cheap and nasty brands, like low end deer, powmax/leadman, sun pro and linkworld. They are the only PSUs I've seen with a 100% premature failure rate.
        I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

        No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

        Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

        Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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        • oldtopman
          New Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 4

          #5
          Re: New PS

          Define "Premature Failure Rate" Mine still works after 2-3 years of light usage. Cheap means > $50 but better to spend money on a PS than money on rebuilding my entire system. I will check out the corsair VX450 Thank you .

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          • TheLaw
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Jan 2011
            • 477

            #6
            Re: New PS

            Originally posted by c_hegge
            Depending on how cheap you consider to be affordable, one of my favourittes is the corsair VX450. It has entirely Japanese caps, and is one of the best out there. Personally, I consider Antec StupidPowers (Smartpower) and early TruePowers to be worse (ie. less reliable) than even the really cheap and nasty brands, like low end deer, powmax/leadman, sun pro and linkworld. They are the only PSUs I've seen with a 100% premature failure rate.
            Nono...Antec TruePowers are definitley not worse than Leadman/Deers. True they are filled with Chemi-Con KZGs, but I doubt the Fuijiyus in the Leadmans are any better. Soldering quality and overall construction quality is much better, even if the caps might not be as good as the rest.

            Smartpowers aren't even ATX2 speced I don't think.

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            • TheLaw
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Jan 2011
              • 477

              #7
              Re: New PS

              The VX450 is indeed a solid supply, but if you need cheaper, I'd recommend an Antec NEO ECO which is a Seasonic S12II based power supply, exclusively available on Newegg.com. No, it's not sketchy at all. It's a sold supply.

              The VX450 is a bit old at this point. There are some better designs out there, but reliability wise, it's top notch. But you won't have problems with the Antec either.

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              • c_hegge
                Badcaps Legend
                • Sep 2009
                • 5219
                • Australia

                #8
                Re: New PS

                Originally posted by TheLaw
                Nono...Antec TruePowers are definitley not worse than Leadman/Deers. True they are filled with Chemi-Con KZGs, but I doubt the Fuijiyus in the Leadmans are any better.
                They are now, but the earlier ones had Fuhjyyu and 100% premature failure rates.
                I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                • TheLaw
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 477

                  #9
                  Re: New PS

                  Originally posted by c_hegge
                  They are now, but the earlier ones had Fuhjyyu and 100% premature failure rates.
                  Ohhh...yes, sorry. Those wretched first gen Truepowers. Yes, those were dismal units. Can't believe Antec let those off the assembly line.

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                  • oldtopman
                    New Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 4

                    #10
                    Re: New PS

                    What a good selection! Thanks to all of your excellent advice, I have decided to go with the VX450W from Amazon.

                    This review helped more than a little.

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                    • PCBONEZ
                      Grumpy Old Fart
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10661
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: New PS

                      I've only heard of one case where a smart power caused a house to burn down.
                      They must be safe.
                      Mann-Made Global Warming.
                      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                      -
                      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                      - Dr Seuss
                      -
                      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                      -

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                      • PCBONEZ
                        Grumpy Old Fart
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10661
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: New PS

                        Originally posted by TheLaw
                        Ohhh...yes, sorry. Those wretched first gen Truepowers. Yes, those were dismal units. Can't believe Antec let those off the assembly line.
                        Not exactly limited to 'first gen'.
                        TP, TP2, TP3, True Blue, and a few other 'True' -whatever- all had the same problems.
                        Mann-Made Global Warming.
                        - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                        -
                        Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                        - Dr Seuss
                        -
                        You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                        -

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                        • c_hegge
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 5219
                          • Australia

                          #13
                          Re: New PS

                          Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                          I've only heard of one case where a smart power caused a house to burn down.
                          It nearly happened to one of our customers. Several years ago (before I worked where I do), my boss used to use antec PSUs in new systems. One customer's SP-350 once gave off a heap of smoke, caucht on fire inside and and exploded big time when they attempted to power their PC on. Remarkably, the only thing to get antec'd was the motherboard.
                          I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                          No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                          Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                          Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                          • c_hegge
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 5219
                            • Australia

                            #14
                            Re: New PS

                            Originally posted by oldtopman
                            Define "Premature Failure Rate"
                            When I say premature failure, I mean one that occurs before the PC is obsolete and due for retirement. I consider that to be around 7 years, but 5 years is a record for an antec stupidpower. I've known them to fail as early as 6 months given heavy usage.
                            I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                            No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                            Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                            Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                            • PCBONEZ
                              Grumpy Old Fart
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 10661
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: New PS

                              According to Intel the useful life of a PC is 7 years.
                              [That's from their marketing side.]
                              Mann-Made Global Warming.
                              - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                              -
                              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                              - Dr Seuss
                              -
                              You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                              -

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                              • Toasty
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 4171

                                #16
                                Re: New PS

                                Originally posted by oldtopman
                                What a good selection! Thanks to all of your excellent advice, I have decided to go with the VX450W from Amazon.

                                This review helped more than a little.

                                Don't want to rain on your parade, but...

                                CompUSA has it for $39.99 after a $15 rebate.

                                Toast
                                veritas odium parit

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                                • PCBONEZ
                                  Grumpy Old Fart
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 10661
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: New PS

                                  OH!
                                  That's a rain hat!
                                  I thought it was a helmet!
                                  .
                                  Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                  - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                  -
                                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                                  - Dr Seuss
                                  -
                                  You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                  -

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                                  • Toasty
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Jul 2007
                                    • 4171

                                    #18
                                    Re: New PS

                                    Oh, been into the strong coffee this morning, eh?
                                    It's tin foil lined to prevent "them" from reading my thoughts.

                                    .
                                    veritas odium parit

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                                    • everell
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Jan 2009
                                      • 1514
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: New PS

                                      If you decide to recap the Antec SP-350, here is the thread giving some helpful information, especially how to do the DM311 mod to prevent overvoltage problems with the 5vsb circuit.

                                      https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...hlight=everell
                                      Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)

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                                      • oldtopman
                                        New Member
                                        • Jan 2011
                                        • 4

                                        #20
                                        Re: New PS

                                        Originally posted by Toasty
                                        Don't want to rain on your parade, but...

                                        CompUSA has it for $39.99 after a $15 rebate.

                                        Toast
                                        As a member of Amazon Prime, the shipping is worth it, especially since I would like to use my computer and not think of the PSU as a $400 rupoor.

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