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    Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

    Guy in question is my co-worker who go online so much but not very good at spotting questionable links with google or viewing streaming videos on questionable sites.

    I'm preparing another PC with better specs to replace his older slower less capable PC.

    What is your suggestions to prevent most of this problems? This have to be running in background and constantly and in good clear term that guy can understand.

    I can run the malware scanners once in awhile but these does not help at all as he doesn't bother and understanding the necessary to do it.

    Also the old PC has a unwanted program that I term as jokeware that somehow gotten ahold of his old PC is desktop icon re-sprawning n-number of times and pile icons onto one spot at upper left icon and fill up rest of desktop. I could not find the cause of this because I wanted to learn how to stop that.

    Cheers, Wizard
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    Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

    For an in-law, I was re-installing XP probably every 3 to 6 months due to viruses even though I had AVG installed.

    I finally setup his privileges to "guest" and haven't had a problem in almost 3 years now.

    edit: Many of the new AV programs also have a "link" scanner. They scan the URL and warn of possible problems.
    Last edited by retiredcaps; 05-09-2011, 06:26 PM.
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      #3
      Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

      For lightweight RAM based AV programs, I have used Immunet and Panda Cloud AV on laptops/netbooks. Immunet takes about 30MB and Panada about 90MB of DRAM.

      I use AVG 2011 (free) on my desktop based computers.
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        #4
        Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

        How about Microsoft Security Essentials? It's a free download if you validate your copy of Windows.
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          #5
          Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

          Originally posted by japlytic View Post
          How about Microsoft Security Essentials? It's a free download if you validate your copy of Windows.
          It's very good. Yes I know there are a lot of MS haters on-line, even some of THEM (on other forums) admit that MSSE is pretty good.

          AVG used to be good, but has been getting worse and worse.
          But really, for free Security essentials is good. ClamAV is great under Linux, but the Windows offering is lacking. Really for free options, MSSE is the best.
          For paid, maybe Vipre.

          If you can get a user to run as non-admin, you're in better shape too.
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            #6
            Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

            Avast free edition and Malwarebytes pro both running together. Both together use very little resources and is rock solid protection. (and yes, they both work great together)

            Our shop repairs alot of computers with avg 2011 on them and most everytime just removing avg fixes all the problems.

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              #7
              Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

              An addition to an anti-V and a spy/malware program use this:
              http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
              It is primarily for aggressive malicious ActiveX programs.
              Runs totally in the background so the user won't even know it's there.
              Free version needs to be updated manually [and it does not remind you with pop-ups or any other way] but you really only need to update it once or twice a year.
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                #8
                Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                MS Security Essentials for me too. It just works. And no BS popups like "buy the full/professional/XYZ version" blah blah like on tons of other free AV solutions..
                the only thing i don't really like too much about it is that a "background" scan loads down the system pretty badly.. (and still takes forever.. around 4hours for me)
                Last edited by Scenic; 05-10-2011, 02:45 AM.

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                  #9
                  Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                  Scenic, What is your PC hardware? This impacts the overall performance.

                  The PC I'm preparing is 2.1GHz C2D with 2GB and 7200rpm 320GB.

                  Cheers, Wizard

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                    #10
                    Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                    MS Security Essentials for me too. It just works. And no BS popups like "buy the full/professional/XYZ version" blah blah like on tons of other free AV solutions..
                    There is one critical flaw with this AV. The definitions update function relies upon Windows Automatic Updates. If you don't have Automatic Update set to automatically install new updates, you will be left with old definitions. And the updates are "Optional Updates", which causes even more problems.

                    I use the old version of Avast Pro with the spinning blue wheel. I loathe the new version, but the old version suits my needs just fine. They said they would stop providing updates for it by now, but they still do. It probably doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the older version, but I'm not an idiot and I don't need a third-party program sitting in the background making sure I don't do something stupid.

                    Antivirus programs have gotten progressively worse over the years. They're geared to protect you from every possible scenario. The problem is this nanny-like protection makes it very memory-consuming.

                    Ever since Norton Antivirus 2004. 2003 was fine, but what Symantec did was they stopped giving the WMI Update over LiveUpdate (Which basically communicates with Windows telling it there's AV installed) after a while so everyone would be forced to upgrade to the later, bloated versions. If you had the WMI update already, you were gold, 2003 was fast and effective, the last worthwhile version of Symantec AV.

                    If I had to choose another AV besides the older Avast Pro, it would be NOD32 2.5 (But not the later versions). The only thing is with NOD32 2.5 is that you have to pay for the definitions. But at least they still support it.
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                      #11
                      Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                      Originally posted by Wizard View Post
                      Scenic, What is your PC hardware? This impacts the overall performance.

                      The PC I'm preparing is 2.1GHz C2D with 2GB and 7200rpm 320GB.

                      Cheers, Wizard
                      Core 2 Quad @ 3.8GHz, 6GB DDR2, 320GB 7200rpm system drive and a 1TB HDD for storage (which is probably why it takes forever..)

                      edit: i set it to check within archives (rar, zip, etc...) too.. which is one more CPU loading factor..

                      Originally posted by mockingbird View Post
                      There is one critical flaw with this AV. The definitions update function relies upon Windows Automatic Updates. If you don't have Automatic Update set to automatically install new updates, you will be left with old definitions. And the updates are "Optional Updates", which causes even more problems.
                      uhm.. there's an option in MSSE to update it and the definitions. plus it can be set to check for updates before starting a scheduled scan.
                      Last edited by Scenic; 05-10-2011, 01:05 PM.

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                        #12
                        Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                        You might be surprised when you look at the results this year for the A/V programs.
                        I sure was.
                        There are changes in this business, just because company X was good last year does not mean they are good this year.
                        And this goes both ways...

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                          #13
                          Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                          I always recommend NOD... the option for Free Avast + Malwarebytes Pro i dont know, i feel Avast is not that light after all... as for MSSE, it barely is ok to me but it does work... my choice for a limited PC would be either AVG or NOD.


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                            #14
                            Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                            Originally posted by retiredcaps View Post
                            For an in-law, I was re-installing XP probably every 3 to 6 months due to viruses even though I had AVG installed.

                            I finally setup his privileges to "guest" and haven't had a problem in almost 3 years now.

                            edit: Many of the new AV programs also have a "link" scanner. They scan the URL and warn of possible problems.

                            That's an interesting concept. I'm actually planning to do that to my Windows 7 home computer, which is used by my mom, dad, and sister for just browsing.
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                              #15
                              Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                              Originally posted by MXM View Post
                              I always recommend NOD... the option for Free Avast + Malwarebytes Pro i dont know, i feel Avast is not that light after all... as for MSSE, it barely is ok to me but it does work... my choice for a limited PC would be either AVG or NOD.


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                              I have installed the newest avast on a several 512mb xp machines with barely (if any) noticeable performance difference before and after the avast

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                                #16
                                Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                                part of the problems here is internet explorer, using firefox/chrome to bypass those web site vulnerabilities, and keep up flash/acrobat updates

                                mse is good, just make sure automatic updates is on

                                also another thing, dual boot ubuntu. we did that for a customer that got viruses all the time from porn, he would bring it back every few weeks. haven't heard from him since

                                just have him boot up to ubuntu if he starts getting to questionable sites
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                                  Originally posted by eppidrummer View Post
                                  I have installed the newest avast on a several 512mb xp machines with barely (if any) noticeable performance difference before and after the avast
                                  nice... not same xp with me on same type of machines... well the version might be the kicker here, i havent tried the newest version... but i guess i tried the previous one... id still recommend it, and i casually use it, specially its bootable version. other than that id say when its installed and running with all its options and services i do get to notice some performance difference idk, perspectives.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                                    Originally posted by MXM View Post
                                    nice... not same xp with me on same type of machines... well the version might be the kicker here, i havent tried the newest version... but i guess i tried the previous one... id still recommend it, and i casually use it, specially its bootable version. other than that id say when its installed and running with all its options and services i do get to notice some performance difference idk, perspectives.

                                    peace.
                                    Another great thing about avast is that its free

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                                      I always suggest eset(nod) security pack. Like uranium mentioned keep windows, adobe and java updated.

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Good security and antivirus stuff for pc-impaired guy.

                                        I wouldn't recommend Microsoft Security Essentials. I used to have it installed on my laptop, and it took a few minutes to open a file because MSE was trying to scan it. Even McAfee isn't that slow and that much of a CPU hog.

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