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  • classicmac
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    • Aug 2013
    • 13
    • USA

    #1

    Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

    I'm having trouble with a Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA where the backlight does not function properly. When I turn the television on the backlight flickers on momentarily and I can see the Samsung logo for half a second. The backlight then turns off.

    The main board does seem to fully boot. I can hear sound when the television is on. I can also see picture doing the flashlight test.

    I tried disconnected the main board to test the backlight as suggested in the troubleshooting manual attached to post https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?p=792496. I get the same behavior when I connect power where the backlight just flickers on then turns off again. I'm attaching a picture of the power supply board. I don't see any visibly failed components or bulging/leaking capacitors.

    Does anyone have any suggestions on where I should go from here? I would appreciate any help or advice.

    Thanks!

    Michael
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    Last edited by classicmac; 04-30-2018, 01:49 AM.
  • dick_barton
    Badcaps Legend
    • Aug 2015
    • 6643
    • Wales

    #2
    Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

    So the backlights do not come on as per the fast-track guide, so possible inverter fault or / lamp fault.
    Can you measure the voltages at CI801

    Can you post pictures of all the circuit boards at the back of the set and how they connect to each other?
    Last edited by dick_barton; 04-30-2018, 03:48 AM.
    Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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    • neilc6
      Badcaps Legend
      • Nov 2015
      • 1550
      • Canada

      #3
      Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

      Check this thread

      https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58093

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      • nomoresonys
        Badcaps Legend
        • Jan 2013
        • 12206
        • U.S.

        #4
        Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

        If your power supply voltages are all good, probably a bad ccf/lamp or bad transformer on inverter board or something else wrong with inverter board, you could grab an inverter board and try it, usually pretty reasonable prices on them BUT won't fix issue if it's a bad ccfl/lamp, there's some good videos on testing inverter boards on youtube, also check any fuses that might be on inverter board, fuses will start with F on label next to them.
        Last edited by nomoresonys; 04-30-2018, 08:40 AM.
        Quit because THIS SITE LETS A ROGUE MEMBER TYPE ANY GARBAGE HE PLEASES AND THE POWERS THAT BE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE NEVER QUITS. THEN YOU GET A PENALTY FOR RESPONDING TO HIS ATTACKS. BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. DONE SUPPORTING A SITE THAT ALLOWS THIS BS.

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        • budm
          Badcaps Legend
          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

          Beside checking the PFC Voltage, check capacitance of CI818 also.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          • classicmac
            Member
            • Aug 2013
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            • USA

            #6
            Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

            Originally posted by neilc6
            Thanks for the link to the other thread neilc6. Are the capacitors I highlighted in the attached photo the "main filter caps?" I'm getting 163V across them. The other thread seems to say that I should be seeing 380-400V.

            Neilc6 I see you had a similar problem and replacing ICP801 fixed it. Is there anything I can do to verify ICP801 has failed before I order a replacement? Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions.
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            • neilc6
              Badcaps Legend
              • Nov 2015
              • 1550
              • Canada

              #7
              Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

              Yes those are the main filter caps. Voltage is measured with black on the negative lead and not chassis ground. In my case, the PFC voltage spiked up when first plugged in going into an overvoltage situation. If your backlights do come on momentarily, it would indicate the PFC voltage comes on. You will need to monitor it when the TV is both turned on and plugged in. Be careful, it's high voltage and alligator clips would work best.

              I would also check the usual suspects CP820, CI818 and DP810 assuming the designators are the same for your power supply board.
              Last edited by neilc6; 04-30-2018, 12:14 PM.

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                Originally posted by classicmac
                Thanks for the link to the other thread neilc6. Are the capacitors I highlighted in the attached photo the "main filter caps?" I'm getting 163V across them. The other thread seems to say that I should be seeing 380-400V.

                Neilc6 I see you had a similar problem and replacing ICP801 fixed it. Is there anything I can do to verify ICP801 has failed before I order a replacement? Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions.
                So the 160V reading on the cap is measure when the TV is turned on? May be you leave the probes connected to the cap then turn the TV on to see if the meter shows the Voltage jumps up to 400V range or not, you will have to put meter scale at higher than 200V scale.
                There is also PFC Diode DP810 that needs to be tested to find out if it has leakage or shorted out.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • nomoresonys
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 12206
                  • U.S.

                  #9
                  Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                  Originally posted by classicmac
                  Thanks for the link to the other thread neilc6. Are the capacitors I highlighted in the attached photo the "main filter caps?" I'm getting 163V across them. The other thread seems to say that I should be seeing 380-400V.

                  Neilc6 I see you had a similar problem and replacing ICP801 fixed it. Is there anything I can do to verify ICP801 has failed before I order a replacement? Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions.
                  Yep, need to verify the PFC circuit, check those in post 7, CI818 is a problem in many power supplies.
                  Last edited by nomoresonys; 04-30-2018, 02:14 PM.
                  Quit because THIS SITE LETS A ROGUE MEMBER TYPE ANY GARBAGE HE PLEASES AND THE POWERS THAT BE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE NEVER QUITS. THEN YOU GET A PENALTY FOR RESPONDING TO HIS ATTACKS. BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. DONE SUPPORTING A SITE THAT ALLOWS THIS BS.

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                  • classicmac
                    Member
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 13
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                    I did more testing and the voltage across the capacitors does jump to ~400 for a split second before dropping down to ~160. Is there anything else I should verify?

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                    • dick_barton
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 6643
                      • Wales

                      #11
                      Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                      You need to check or replace the capacitor as mentioned by the others above since it tends to be one of the faults recognised for this power supply.
                      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                      • classicmac
                        Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 13
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                        I removed CI818 and tested it and was getting ~.47-.5. It should be a .47uf capacitor right? I'm attaching a picture for reference.
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                        • nomoresonys
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 12206
                          • U.S.

                          #13
                          Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                          I'd test the inverter board.
                          Quit because THIS SITE LETS A ROGUE MEMBER TYPE ANY GARBAGE HE PLEASES AND THE POWERS THAT BE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE NEVER QUITS. THEN YOU GET A PENALTY FOR RESPONDING TO HIS ATTACKS. BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. DONE SUPPORTING A SITE THAT ALLOWS THIS BS.

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                          • dick_barton
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 6643
                            • Wales

                            #14
                            Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                            Yes, 2W474K value is 0.47uf 450VDC Polyester Film type.
                            Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                            • arenat
                              Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 22
                              • Argentina

                              #15
                              Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                              Originally posted by classicmac
                              I did more testing and the voltage across the capacitors does jump to ~400 for a split second before dropping down to ~160. Is there anything else I should verify?
                              Most Samung power supply of that era have an OVP , if go over 415V disable it.

                              Measure that voltage again .

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                              • classicmac
                                Member
                                • Aug 2013
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                                #16
                                Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                                Originally posted by nomoresonys
                                I'd test the inverter board.
                                I'm a little new to this. Is there something specific I should test on the inverter board?

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                                • nomoresonys
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jan 2013
                                  • 12206
                                  • U.S.

                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                                  This one has a number that appears to match but the board looks different. $7.50 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coby-Sony-L...YAAOSw-ldZZ5mG
                                  Last edited by nomoresonys; 05-01-2018, 09:48 PM.
                                  Quit because THIS SITE LETS A ROGUE MEMBER TYPE ANY GARBAGE HE PLEASES AND THE POWERS THAT BE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE NEVER QUITS. THEN YOU GET A PENALTY FOR RESPONDING TO HIS ATTACKS. BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. DONE SUPPORTING A SITE THAT ALLOWS THIS BS.

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                                  • nomoresonys
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Jan 2013
                                    • 12206
                                    • U.S.

                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                                    According to shopjimmy the KDL-40X400 is one of the boards that will work, if the seller has his info. correct.
                                    http://www.shopjimmy.com/auo-19-40t0...t-inverter.htm Shopjimmy must have made an error here, because these boards look way different than the one in post #24.
                                    Last edited by nomoresonys; 05-01-2018, 10:36 PM.
                                    Quit because THIS SITE LETS A ROGUE MEMBER TYPE ANY GARBAGE HE PLEASES AND THE POWERS THAT BE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE NEVER QUITS. THEN YOU GET A PENALTY FOR RESPONDING TO HIS ATTACKS. BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. DONE SUPPORTING A SITE THAT ALLOWS THIS BS.

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                                    • nomoresonys
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Jan 2013
                                      • 12206
                                      • U.S.

                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                                      Can you upload a pic. of your inverter board?
                                      Quit because THIS SITE LETS A ROGUE MEMBER TYPE ANY GARBAGE HE PLEASES AND THE POWERS THAT BE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT SO HE NEVER QUITS. THEN YOU GET A PENALTY FOR RESPONDING TO HIS ATTACKS. BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. DONE SUPPORTING A SITE THAT ALLOWS THIS BS.

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                                      • budm
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Feb 2010
                                        • 40746
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung LN40D550K1FXZA Backlight Problem

                                        You have power supply/Inverter transformer driver board, the primary inverter transformers winding are driven by the your power supply/ Inverter driver board. I would check the resistance of the primary winding, but more concern right now is the PFC Voltage of over 400VDC.
                                        Your Inverter transformer board should look something like this:
                                        http://www.shopjimmy.com/samsung-lj9...t-inverter.htm
                                        or
                                        http://www.shopjimmy.com/auo-19-40t0...t-inverter.htm
                                        Or: http://www.shopjimmy.com/cmo-27-d056...t-inverter.htm
                                        Show us the pictures of your inverter transformer board.
                                        Last edited by budm; 05-01-2018, 10:04 PM.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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