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    Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

    Hello all ~

    I picked up a Samsung 46" LCD the other day. Its exact Model #is Samsung LN46A650A1FXZA. Version SQ01.

    After it warms up for about 10 to 12 minutes, the picture instantaneously becomes perfect and will run indefinitely without issue.

    BUT .... before the warm-up kicks in, it's a real mess.

    First off, there are 3 pronounced horizontal lines (white in color) that go across the entire screen and cut the image into 4 distinct sections of equal size and measure. Then, even more disturbing, is that there is a double (maybe even triple) image that appears wherein the secondary image is not the same size or shape as the first. If you look closely at the pictures I've posted, and particularly the text on the screen, you'll see what I mean.

    I have viewed the following YouTube video showing how a simple piece of clear tape on the LVDS cable(s). This approach appears to have helped many fix their sets based on the comments found there on YouTube below the video. Here is the link:

    https://youtu.be/j7vl7-vZEL8


    What I would like to gain insight into from this Badcaps forum before I open it up is whether or not others here have had a similar problem and have fixed it with the LVDS cable address or if there is likely another culprit(s), including the TCON Board, capacitors, or anything else that would cause this rather unusual circumstance of it being very troublesome for the first 10 - 12 minutes and then INSTANTANEOUSLY clearing itself up.

    What's to blame for this particular circumstance?

    p.s ~ I tried to use a hair dryer through the vented slots on the back in order to speed up the warm-up process but it had no effect whatsoever. It still takes the full 10-12 minutes to become clear whether I utilize the hair dryer or not.


    Thanks in advance for the assitance.

    Please ignore the "upside-down" nature of the images below. That's just the way the images uploaded into the Badcaps site this morning, and my reversing the saved images did not change the end result.



    ~ kca
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    Last edited by kca; 12-06-2017, 12:39 PM.

    #2
    Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

    IMPORTANT UPDATE:

    I was just experimenting with this set some more and discovered that if I move the swivel base from left to right, the image will come into focus. This can be done almost immediately after turning on the set. So, I don't have to wait for the 10 - 12 minutes described in my last post in order to obtain a clear image.

    I can also gain the same clear image by reaching up and grasping the upper left-hand corner of the set (as I am facing the screen), and giving it a firm squeeze. This didn't work every time, but most times it did. Trying to do the same in the upper right-hand corner or anywhere in the back middle part of the tv had no effect.


    With this new information, it appears that there is a loose connection somewhere in that upper left-hand corner.

    Does anyone have any insights based on these new facts / behaviors?


    A Further Note: I did also notice that even when the horizontal lines and the double image are present, the double imaging really only occurs on about 2/3 of the screen. Starting from the left, it is very pronounced but it seems to get a bit better as you move toward the right and then the final 1/3 of the screen, only on the right-hand side, seems unaffected by the double imaging. The white-colored horizontal lines, however, make their way all the way from the left edge to the right edge. If you look closely at the images I included up above in Post #1, you will see what I mean. Not sure why 60% to 70% of the screen would have a double-image, and the remaining 40% to 30% does not. Seems like it would be a 50 / 50 split if anything. Any insights on this would be equally appreciated. Thanks.
    Last edited by kca; 12-06-2017, 02:01 PM.

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      #3
      Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

      See posts on this site about "tab bond" repair. You will find the answer you are looking for. Most likely a bad ribbon connection to the upper left hand side of the LCD panel. These ribbons are fused to the LCD panel and develop im perfections and oxidation over time
      Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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        #4
        Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

        Thanks much for your reply. I will take your advice and make a study of the "tab bond" repair. Hopefully it's something I can pull off myself.

        Have you done this repair yourself? If so, is there anything in particular I need to pay attention to?

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          #5
          Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

          I have done it many times. Just find a suitable shim to press into the frame.
          Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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            #6
            Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

            https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ht=tab+bonding
            https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ht=tab+bonding
            https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ht=tab+bonding
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              #7
              Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

              I like to use old thermal pads from old boards laying around the house especially but if you don't have that option, you can get thermal pads at Frys I believe. Usually 1/16" thick or something to that nature. Dont use plastic, wood or cardboard. Not a good overall thermal compound.
              Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                #8
                Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

                Hi, from the literature of this symphtom the defect is of the side gate drivers, the thing about the pressure on the left corner is anyway new to me, i've seen some cases of succesful repair (but anyway is probably not a permanent fix) with the method of "cutting the lines" so you isolate the function of all faulty part's side tabs. Anyway there's a chance that the side drivers fails due to an horizontal faulty tab with broken connections that becomes connected at warm temp., i have a tv with vertical bars at the begin that goes away after miutes, or after a pressure on tabs, it's a difficult discipline this.. who can say.. if tab presssure makes no changes probably the interruption is on the glass...

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                  #9
                  Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

                  Could be but Usually side drivers do not straighten the panel out by just pressing on them as they short internally imho
                  Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung Horizontal Lines and Double Image until warmed up

                    Right to not read all by new, have you tried to disconnect tcon output cables one at a time and see how it goes? It's important.

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