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    Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

    Good day folks. I'm in a bit of predicament here and would like some thoughts: I've got what seems a new-generation Samsung TV which keeps blowing the backlight LEDs (I shall post pictures and the exact model tomorrow, but for now I'll hopefully receive some general guidelines so I don't mess it up even more). LONG STORY WARNING

    The scenario seemed very simple: it's your typical "sound but no picture" deal, so I opened up the panel like always, got to the LEDs and quickly noticed something indeed went very wrong in there. Two LEDs must've gone out with quite the fireworks, because part of the traces is absolutely charred and burnt to a crisp and the white reflector sheet that covers the strips has holes in it in those areas, as if putting a lighter up to the thing. The lens of one of them is completely black as well - definitely unusable (I shall post a picture of this as well). I thought I'd just be able to get away with just replacing the burnt LEDs, but upon popping the lens on one of them, I ran into trouble: this new generation of LEDs are TINY, unlike everything I've seen so far, so not only I didn't have them on hand, but it would also be impractical/impossible to replace them.

    I moved on to finding and ordering whole strips then. With considerable effort, I was able to locate a set of 3 recovered from a similar TV. They aren't brand new in the box, but definitely not worn out either. Before installing them, I DID check the rest of the LEDs one by one like I always do just to rule it out and amazingly only the one with the black lens which went up in flames is busted - the other one which SEEMED dead, came on just fine (despite having a big friggin' hole in the trace...). I thought I'd replace just the strip with the charred LED (so I'd have the other 2 remaining if need be), so i did that, left the two original ones in place, plugged the set in and after turning on for a VERY brief moment, I heard a pop and saw a spark flying out of the newly installed strip and everything died......great
    So like what the hell ? :| One thing that bugs me is that these strips also have a diode next to each LED and it is this diode which actually popped back there (it's completely obliterated - couldn't even find its remains, just the pads were left of it !). Haven't seen this setup before and it seems so stupid and useless...So now I was stuck and didn't know what to do: I certainly didn't want to try out another replacement strip, for fear it'd blow as well. I'm pretty sure it had something to do with that punctured trace on the strip I left in, but my meter did not register any shorts on any of the LEDs, and it certainly would've picked it up, since those diodes are reverse-biased in parallel with the LEDs, so if they were shorted, the meter would've told me so upon measuring the LED. I shall now attempt to mix and match the strips, hoping that it was a one-off incident and it was a bad diode there (I didn't check the strips once I got them, since I've never had issues with them).
    Could something be going on with the PSU as well ? :| I've NEVER had LEDs failing because of the PSU, much less so on Sammies. Must admit I haven't done any in-depth measurements, but upon startup with no strips connected, I see around 120v on the rectifier diode after the small transformer, which should be slowly going down...can't recall if it does so or not. I shall measure more carefully, but for now: does this seem like a strip issue or a PSU issue ? Has anyone successfully repaired one of these newer sammies which (hopefully) match my description ? Am I gonna be a pioneer ?
    Wattevah...

    #2
    Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

    Do you have or have access to the Led tester which could prove useful in this situation.
    Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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      #3
      Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

      Originally posted by dick_barton View Post
      Do you have or have access to the Led tester which could prove useful in this situation.
      No I don't, however one thing I tried once before which worked, was my variac: put a rectifier on it and a big filter cap and gently crank it until the strip comes on....dangerous, stupid, not recommended, but it showed me where the bad strip was. Don't try this yourself
      Wattevah...

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        #4
        Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

        I do have a tester and find it really useful.
        If the strip is multi-layer and you have a puncture then this may well be what's causing the problem.
        Last edited by dick_barton; 07-07-2017, 01:29 PM.
        Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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          #5
          Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

          "plugged the set in and after turning on for a VERY brief moment, I heard a pop and saw a spark flying out of the newly installed strip and everything died..' But did you see ALL the LEDs light up equally before it blew up?
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            #6
            Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

            Yes, I believe they all turned on.

            Another thing worth mentioning, though I didn't want to cram this into my first post as well, since it's a mess to explain: after that diode popped, I went over the strips with my meter in diode mode again and some of the LEDs on the other 2 strips which were left in place now had no continuity at all (no reading on my meter) and since I had two "new" ones still unused, I decided to install those in place of the 2 original ones. Of course, I still had the one with the busted diode installed, so I replaced that one with one of the two supposedly good ones which were originally in place before swapping them for the "new" ones....confusing, I know, so please bare with me. This time nothing popped, but there was no power either.

            Ok, now we get to the part where I believe the actual problem is: I thought I'd chop out the section with the blown diode from the first strip and replace it with another supposedly good section from one of the others. To do this, I used some snips to cut out the section with the missing diode and also cut another good part from another strip, so 4 cuts in total (two on each of the 2 strips). To patch them back together, I scraped away at the traces to uncover the copper, tinned it and then used some solid core wire to join the segments....seemed like a good idea, but upon plugging it in, all I got was a brief spark sound and then nothing (no smoke or anything either). I dropped the project for the day and went home, since it was getting late...in the meantime, I mulled it over and something clicked when I read Dick Barton's last post: the words "puncture", "multi-layer" and "short" guided me towards this assumption: these strips have a metal backing, unlike others which are like normal PCBs and it could be that when I cut through them with the snips, the blade of the snips put a lot of pressure on the edges of the cuts, thus causing the copper traces to bend down every so slightly towards the metal backing, and since the cut is by no means "clean", there could still be some copper "whiskers" there, so despite not getting any shorts with my meter, 100v or so across it might be enough to cause arcing, much like an unintentional spark-gap, hence the spark sound and immediate shutdown......just a thought. I'm now afraid I won't be able to remove this short....I'm thinking of using my dremel with a rotary disk to clean up the edges a bit and make them as flat as possible.
            Wattevah...

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              #7
              Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

              I am confused, I thought you changed out one whole LED strip with one of the three new strips you bought, so two original strip + 1 replacement strip then the new strip blew up, and the two original strips now has continuity.
              Since you did not do anything to the original two strips then how can you have puncture them?
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                #8
                Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

                Originally posted by budm View Post
                I am confused, I thought you changed out one whole LED strip with one of the three new strips you bought, so two original strip + 1 replacement strip then the new strip blew up, and the two original strips now has continuity.
                Since you did not do anything to the original two strips then how can you have puncture them?
                Yes it is confusing I know, even for me who worked hands-on on the damn thing, so I imagine trying to explain it to someone else is even worse. Let me try to clear it out: there are 3 strips in the TV, top, middle and bottom let's call them. The top one had that destroyed trace at its end and the middle one had a round burn mark and some exposed copper next to one of the LEDs, but it came out as good, so I replaced just the top one for now, thinking it would work. The diode blew on the newly installed top strip, so now I replaced the middle (the one with the burn mark) and the bottom ones as well, thinking perhaps that burnt spot in the middle one had something to do with it. It was here I also noticed these last original ones did not have continuity on some of the LEDs, most likely as a result of that diode blowing. The top one now had that blown diode on it, so I did that patch job to try and fix it and here I am.....I shall now try to power the good strips with my variac just to see if they come on at all...they should. In that case, I'll leave them alone and just focus on the top one, try to clean up the mess I made and see if I can get it to turn on. The worst part about the whole story is that the TV was under warranty, but the guy said he doesn't care about that and just wants it fixed ASAP, so I don't want to end up with a void warranty AND a dead TV.....:|
                Wattevah...

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                  #9
                  Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

                  since they are failing so violently, have you checked the incoming voltage with them all disconnected?
                  WHY CAN'T PHILIPS USE PHILLIPS HEAD SCREWS?

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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

                    turn the back light way down first place. Sometimes LED's fail in a weird manner. All you can do is to change all the back light strips in the problem string. Once a LED gets over volted that hard, they don't like that very much and fail in weird ways and randomly, then work for a while, then not, etc. Is it always the same string that fails?

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                      #11
                      Re: Samsung TV keeps blowing LEDs. What to look for ?

                      Ok guys, update: the TV is an UE40J5200 and I managed to get it going. Turns out I was right: something was shorting out, either against the metal chassis or the metal backing of the strips themselves. I used my dremel to clean up the edges of the pieces I botched together to make sure they're flush and even and tried it again this time off the TV, with both the variac and the TV's PSU and they worked in both ways.

                      When I put the problematic strip back on the TV again, I got that spark sound again and I asked my mate who was witnessing the whole thing if he saw where that spark came from and he pointed me towards one of the metal clips that holds the strip onto the TV...for some reason, after wrapping that part in kapton tape (so it would withstand the heat), the TV worked perfectly even with the botched strip. Perhaps my solder job was a bit too close for comfort to that clip and it arced at high current, since that's the principle of a spark gap if you think about it.

                      The other two strips I have installed are the ones I bought...hopefully they will last. Also, have a look at the damage I was talking about and how those little diodes next to the LEDs look. Cheers guys. I hope it's case closed.
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