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  • Akoen
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    Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

    Hello!
    I have a Samsung UE46ES8005 that won't turen on. The television is clicking and the screen stays blank.
    I have opened the television and tried to disconnect the power board from the main board. Result: The backlight can turn on and I Can measure 14V at the pins labeled 13V.
    I have also tried disconnecting all boards from the main board while the main board is connected to the power board. Result: The screen is Black, power board is clicking and the voltage switches between 0V and 14V.

    My question is now. Can i be sure it is the main board that is malfunctioning (and how to fix this) or could it be the TCON board?

    Mainboard: BN41-01800B
    TCON: BN41-01790C
    Power board: BN44-00522B

    Any ideas?
    Thank you in advance!
  • Akoen
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    Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

    Here is a picture
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    • ReeceyBurger123
      Never Give Up !
      • May 2014
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      #3
      Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdDsxxxn2U

      Check this out mate.
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      • budm
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        #4
        Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...91&postcount=7
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • Akoen
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          #5
          Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

          Thank you very much! I will try to connect the cables directly!

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          • Akoen
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            Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

            Thank you! I have just tried to solder a cable directly from the pads but without luck. The TV is just clicking and the voltage is switching between 0 and 5 volts

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            • ReeceyBurger123
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              Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

              Can you show us your soldering with pictures please ?
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              • Akoen
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                Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                Yes of course!
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                • Akoen
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                  Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                  And this
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                  • ReeceyBurger123
                    Never Give Up !
                    • May 2014
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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                    In the first picture them pins look shorted together, resolder them or check for continuity.
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                    • budm
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                      Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                      Can you pull the connector so we can see which pins are burnt up?
                      Also the new wires are in the way and they do not look like they are for the burnt out pins.
                      Straight shot pictures of the whole top and bottom sides of the power supply board?
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                      Last edited by budm; 11-20-2015, 03:48 PM.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • Akoen
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                        Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                        I have attached the cables to two free pads on the same traces as the burnt out pins. There is no short so the failure is another place. Besides i Can measure a voltage switching between 0 and 5 volts on the mainboard at the right pins.
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                        • Akoen
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                          Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                          On the 5V pins i Can measure 6V in High State. I Can also measure a constant 6 V on the 5v condensator. Se picture. What Can cause this?
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                          • Akoen
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                            Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                            Here i measure the voltage
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                            • Akoen
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                              Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                              Never mind last picture. Meter was running low and showing odds voltages. I measure 5.3V on the 5V pin and 12.75V on the 13V pin

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                              • Akoen
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                                Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                                How Can i be sure that it is the main board that is faulty?

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                                • budm
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                                  Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                                  'I have opened the television and tried to disconnect the power board from the main board. Result: The backlight can turn on and I Can measure 14V at the pins labeled 13V.' This already verify that the power supply and the LED driver are OK.
                                  So pin 17 and 19 are for the switched 5V, those two pins are electrically tied together.
                                  You need to report the DCV reading of those 20 pins in this format (TV is turned on) so we can see what is/are missing:
                                  Pin 1 (OD_LE) = xxV
                                  Pin 2 (PWM4) = xxV
                                  .
                                  .
                                  .
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                  • Akoen
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                                    Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                                    Originally posted by budm
                                    'I have opened the television and tried to disconnect the power board from the main board. Result: The backlight can turn on and I Can measure 14V at the pins labeled 13V.' This already verify that the power supply and the LED driver are OK.
                                    So pin 17 and 19 are for the switched 5V, those two pins are electrically tied together.
                                    You need to report the DCV reading of those 20 pins in this format (TV is turned on) so we can see what is/are missing:
                                    Pin 1 (OD_LE) = xxV
                                    Pin 2 (PWM4) = xxV
                                    .
                                    .
                                    .
                                    Thank you. Here are my readings (measured on connector at the mainboard end). The power supply is switching between two states. The results in parentese illustrates the "off" state. Here pin 20 still has some voltage:
                                    Pin 1 (OD_LE) = 2.33V (0V)
                                    Pin 2 (PWM 4) = 0.69 (0V)
                                    Pin 3 (OD_ON) = 2.32V
                                    Pin 4 (PWM 3) = 0.69V (0V)
                                    Pin 5 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 6 (PWM 2) = 0.69V (0V)
                                    Pin 7 (B13V) = 12.74V (0V)
                                    Pin 8 (PWM 1) = 0.69V (0V)
                                    Pin 9 (B13V) = 12.74V (0V)
                                    Pin 10 (B13V) = 12.74V (0V)
                                    Pin 11 (Vamp) = 12.74 (0V)
                                    Pin 12 (BLU) = 0
                                    Pin 13 (Vamp) = 12.74V (0V)
                                    Pin 14 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 15 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 16 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 17 (B5V) = 5.3V (0V)
                                    Pin 18 (A5V) = 5.33V (0V)
                                    Pin 19 (B5V) = 5.3V (0V)
                                    Pin 20 (PS) = 5.29V (0.25V)

                                    If i disconnect power board an main board and measure directly on power board:
                                    Pin 1 (OD_LE) = 2.72V
                                    Pin 2 (PWM 4) = 3.19
                                    Pin 3 (OD_ON) = 2.71V
                                    Pin 4 (PWM 3) = 3.19
                                    Pin 5 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 6 (PWM 2) = 3.19
                                    Pin 7 (B13V) = 12.74V
                                    Pin 8 (PWM 1) = 3.19
                                    Pin 9 (B13V) = 12.74V
                                    Pin 10 (B13V) = 12.74V
                                    Pin 11 (Vamp) = 12.74V
                                    Pin 12 (BLU) = 2.97
                                    Pin 13 (Vamp) = 12.74V
                                    Pin 14 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 15 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 16 (GND) = 0V
                                    Pin 17 (B5V) = 5.3V
                                    Pin 18 (A5V) = 5.33V
                                    Pin 19 (B5V) = 5.3V
                                    Pin 20 (PS) = 3.16V
                                    Last edited by Akoen; 11-21-2015, 02:12 PM.

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                                    • Akoen
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                                      Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                                      In my previous post, the last reading are made by disconnecting the mainboard from the power board. In this scenario the backlight is turned on and the reading are higher than when the boards are connected.

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                                      • budm
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                                        • Feb 2010
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung LED TV troubleshooting. Help is very appreciated!

                                        'Pin 12 (BLU) = 0' So the main board is not sending the Backlights ON signal. We can force on manually.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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