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  • kevinjo
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    Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C



    Have a Zener Diode with no markings at location D6 ( behind inputs ). What can I use maybe in increments to fill this void? The TV runs until warm and then shuts off. Keep this Zener cold and runs all night. Any help?? I appreciate it.
  • kevinjo
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    Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

    Sorry..wrong model... Element ELDFT406.

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    • tw2005
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      • Oct 2011
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      #3
      Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

      I wonder if that is a zener or a small signal diode like 1n4148 .

      Normally zeners have a location ZD and the lack of marking or color code is making me think that.
      Last edited by tw2005; 01-30-2015, 02:28 AM.

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      • tw2005
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        Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

        something else I was thinking that there's a test for zeners that may indicate what voltage it is if it's possible to keep it functional during the test.

        example
        http://www.learningaboutelectronics....-a-zener-diode
        Last edited by tw2005; 01-30-2015, 02:42 AM.

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        • budm
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          Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

          Since you can make it function by cooling it, if it is Zener Diode the you will put the red probe on the Cathode and Black probe on the Anode since Zener is used in reverse bias mode and look at what it is shown on the meter and the polarity shown on the meter. If it is regular diode then put red on Anode and Black on Cathode, the Voltage then should shows around 0.6~0.8V.
          What DC Voltage do you get at the Anode and chassis Gnd, Cathode and chassis Gnd?
          The diode is close to other components so how did you cool it down without cooling other components close by?
          Last edited by budm; 01-30-2015, 09:59 AM.
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          • tom66
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            • Apr 2011
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            #6
            Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

            To be honest I'd suspect the nearby regulator more than a zener/standard diode...
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            • kevinjo
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              Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

              Raised it an inch off the board and put drops of coolant on it. As for voltage..the black mark cathode is 23.5 volts and the anode is 23.0.

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              • kevinjo
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                #8
                Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                Thought of putting a 24 volt zener TZX24B-TR or 1n4749A but unsure yet.

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                • kevinjo
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                  #9
                  Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                  regulators where already changed by the way.

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                  • tom66
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                    #10
                    Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                    So across it is about 0.5V... silicon diode

                    Drops of coolant, that would conduct and could change the circuit, it's not reliable.
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                    • kevinjo
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                      Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                      when testing the TV on. I get .5volts with black on cathode and other end on anode. Reversing gives me -.5volts. Hope this helps. When testing off and testing, I get same results either way.

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                      • kevinjo
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                        Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                        So what should I replace it with??

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                        • kevinjo
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                          1n4148 be ok?

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                          • budm
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                            Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                            Originally posted by kevinjo
                            Raised it an inch off the board and put drops of coolant on it. As for voltage..the black mark cathode is 23.5 volts and the anode is 23.0.
                            That means the Diode is in reverse bias because the Cathode (23.5V) is more positive than an Anode (23.0V).

                            Is this with TV on or TV off?
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • budm
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                              Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                              Originally posted by kevinjo
                              when testing the TV on. I get .5volts with black on cathode and other end on anode. Reversing gives me -.5volts. Hope this helps. When testing off and testing, I get same results either way.
                              Not clear, so you are getting 0.5V with reference to GND? or across the Diode (Black probe on Cathode, Red probe on Anode)? Then it is in forward bias.
                              But what do you get when the TV is not working? There must be different when it is good and when it is bad then.
                              Last edited by budm; 01-30-2015, 03:44 PM.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              • kevinjo
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                                Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                                when testing the TV on. I get .5volts with black on cathode and other end on anode. Reversing gives me -.5volts. Hope this helps. When testing off and testing, I get same results either way. When I reference to ground I 23.5 Cathode and 23.0 on anode.

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                                • budm
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                                  Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                                  Originally posted by kevinjo
                                  when testing the TV on. I get .5volts with black on cathode and other end on anode. Reversing gives me -.5volts. Hope this helps. When testing off and testing, I get same results either way. When I reference to ground I 23.5 Cathode and 23.0 on anode.
                                  The means the Diode is not even bias on, it is in reverse bias mode. The question is that you can make the TV works by cooling this Diode which means that it must be showing different reading when it is not working and when it is working, that is what we are trying to find what the readings are.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                  • kevinjo
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                                    Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                                    guess I will try the 4148...not sure what else to do. It says D6 and usually a Zener is ZD. Don't think that should hurt anything? If you think it's a mistake..let me know..no one else has any info on it and schematics are not available. Hate when components are not labeled.

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                                    • tom66
                                      EVs Rule
                                      • Apr 2011
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                                      Please do budm's test first. I really do not think it is that diode myself.
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                                      • kevinjo
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Zener DIODE HELP D6 - Element F0V87C

                                        I thought I already did that? Did I miss something?

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