LG 82UN8570AUD ~ TCON or PANEL?

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  • kca
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Feb 2016
    • 548
    • United States

    #1

    LG 82UN8570AUD ~ TCON or PANEL?

    Hello all ~

    Hope this finds you well. This LG 82UN8570AUD (April 2021 model) 4K UHD television has full audio capabilities but video is compromised / problematic.

    When I picked up this large LG tv it had a full black screen upon startup. Previous owner said it just went black one day. No popping sound or anything else of note.

    I got the display to work by taping off several traces of the right-hand side ribbon cable on the TCON that leads from TCON to PANEL. However, despite dozens and dozens of attempts to find the right combination / range of traces taped off, no particular configuration led to 100% success.

    Question is, based on the following information and accompanying pictures, is this most likely a TCON issue (solved with a replacement TCON board) or is it housed in the panel display itself?

    Other info:

    ~ The power supply board, main board, WiFi, backlights, and audio (including Bluetooth functionality) all seem to be working perfectly fine.

    ~ Depending on the TCON trace tape-off configuration, I get a range of outcomes including full black screen, half black / half white screen, full picture but washed-out colors on left half of screen, normal coloration across the whole screen but then has overtly obvious horizontal lines (see pictures) and these lines are usually accompanied by faint but noticeable flashing of entire screen every 2 seconds or so.

    ~ I can get both the repetitive flashing and the horizontal lines to go away, but then the color is washed out on left-hand side of the screen.

    ~ When I do get the half black / half white, the white (left-hand) side is completely and quite uniformly white ~ leading me to conclude that the backlights themselves are a non-issue.

    ~ The half black / half white presentation only happens when I purposefully unhook one of the TCON's ribbon cables or if it doesn't close and lock fully after one of my change attempts.

    ~ Never do I get a half screen black (or white) with the other half functioning perfectly as is often the case with a faulty TCON.

    ~ It's apparent that the washed out colors begin at the halfway line and gradually get worse as you move to the left onscreen. There, at the vertical dividing line in the middle, the color washout is barely perceptible. But by the time you get to the left-hand side of the screen it is extremely washed out and, with certain trace configurations taped off, completely gray and void of any color. This "half and half" reality seems to lend credence to the faulty TCON theory.

    ~ It is at its worst in the lower-left hand corner (as evidenced quite clearly by the attached photos).

    Hoping it's the TCON, of course, and there is quite a bit of evidence that points to that (especially the fact that the entire right-hand side of the screen's image seems perfectly normal).

    Thanks for reading. Any advice or insights from previous experience(s) is very much appreciated.
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    Last edited by kca; Yesterday, 06:58 AM.
  • EazyBone
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jun 2023
    • 1351
    • United states

    #2
    If taping is successful it's generally a panel issue. By successful I mean your getting picture like you are. There is generally lost picture as you experience with tape

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    • Davi.p
      Hobbist Tech
      • Sep 2009
      • 4376
      • Italy - Milan

      #3
      99% panel issue, you have also horizontal lines, typical of gate drivers not working as they should, try to blow hot air, then let it cool then spry freeze air to the bad area, back on the panel strip board, if you have it then turn on and see if the defect decrease temporarily... try at your own risk, but i know freeze air have not to be conductive, thus..

      Last edited by Davi.p; Yesterday, 09:32 AM.

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      • kca
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Feb 2016
        • 548
        • United States

        #4
        Thanks for the quick reply.

        I thought so too with the panel usually being the culprit when forced to tape off TCON to Panel ribbon traces.

        Unusually, though, there are no vertical lines at play and the fact that I can achieve full coloration across the entire screen with a minimal adjustment to the number and position of the trace tape-offs gave me great pause to call it a definitive panel issue.

        Wouldn't the fact that I can manipulate the scenario to eliminate the washed-out color effect indicate that the panel itself might be okay?

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        • Davi.p
          Hobbist Tech
          • Sep 2009
          • 4376
          • Italy - Milan

          #5
          It's not so easy to answer... At the time you haven't been able to eliminate washed out colors, by showing only white , the image data are not been sent to the source Cofs and so the entrire screen, what you see is bad side disconnected by the direct circuitry but gate drivers already connected tho whose of the good and connected side along the pixels rows, the connected side will produce black screen.because tcon disables data sending to the source cofs, because of half screen disconnected, but the gate drivers arre still working and opening the pixel mosfet channels on the disconnected side, this tied probably to the missing vcom and pixels seeing a charge on the gates that opens the channels, maybe the white slowly fades to black, or any other reason with energized gates but without drain signals being opening channels and showing full backlight... I annoyed you i guess.. :-)
          Last edited by Davi.p; Yesterday, 10:29 AM.

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          • kca
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Feb 2016
            • 548
            • United States

            #6
            Not annoyed at all.

            I'm learning from all of you.

            Important Update:

            For some reason, about 10 minutes ago when I disconnected the left-side (aka, the "bad" side) ribbon cable leading from TCON to panel, then I did get the more typical half picture ok and half out response. Please see pics.

            As you just mentioned, the side where the picture is out started off pretty white but has been fading to darker and darker shades of gray over the last 10 to 15 minutes.
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            Last edited by kca; Yesterday, 10:50 AM.

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            • Davi.p
              Hobbist Tech
              • Sep 2009
              • 4376
              • Italy - Milan

              #7
              yes, you see first white because of the capacitance of the pixel gates, that remain charged for some time after disconnection

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              • Davi.p
                Hobbist Tech
                • Sep 2009
                • 4376
                • Italy - Milan

                #8
                I thought another thing, from which year is this beast Tv? If until, say, 2016/7, then it can possibly have verical side Cofs, instead.of CoGs, in that case is more esplicable the type of fault, and is because of corroded bottom left Cof, the spray test that way had to be made on that vertical area...

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                • kca
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 548
                  • United States

                  #9
                  The tv itself was manufactured in April of 2021 and the TCon board has a design date of May of 2019.

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                  • howardc64
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Jun 2017
                    • 634
                    • United States

                    #10
                    Seems mostly likely buffer board, COF, or the panel.

                    Check for shorts on caps (multimeter in diode mode on both end of cap) on the bad 1/2 buffer board. If have shorts will need to do voltage injection method to find what gets hot first.

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                    • Davi.p
                      Hobbist Tech
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 4376
                      • Italy - Milan

                      #11
                      NEVER do voltage injection on the panel strip boards because AVDD line need to be energized after the voltage application on Cof Vcc, otherwise damage at the horizon.. there is an easier and much more reliable method..

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