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  • Mikeyboy2007
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Mar 2013
    • 745
    • Scotland

    #1

    help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

    hi huys a friend asked me to have a pop at repairing his 47" philips tv, i took off the back and noticed 6 caps where leaking so replaced them, tried switching on and still no standby LED so tested the 3 fuses on the PSU of which one had blown (ceramic fuse) i then replaced with a time delay 1A Glass fuse and as soon as i plugged tv back in the fuse popped but has also burnt something out under the fuse aswell, can anyone tell me what could be the problem ?
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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #2
    Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

    May be a fusible resistor - would need some more detail of the board to be sure.
    Part #s, detailed images of top and bottom of board, etc.
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
    For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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    • Mikeyboy2007
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Mar 2013
      • 745
      • Scotland

      #3
      Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

      Does this help Tom ?
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      • tom66
        EVs Rule
        • Apr 2011
        • 32560
        • UK

        #4
        Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

        Need one for the bottom side of the board (green side)
        Also did you use Samwha capacitors in a re-cap job...? Were they original or salvaged?
        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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        • Mikeyboy2007
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          • Mar 2013
          • 745
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          #5
          Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

          Sorry whats Samwah capacitors ? And i just replaced original caps with new ones.

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          • Mikeyboy2007
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Mar 2013
            • 745
            • Scotland

            #6
            Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

            Hi tom 4 of the caps replaced where samwha and the 2 470uf ones cant see a brand just says C7E but there is also a logo that looks like the samwha logo. These are the pictures of the green side and a close up of the green side of the board where the fuse blew.
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            • tom66
              EVs Rule
              • Apr 2011
              • 32560
              • UK

              #7
              Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

              So they aren't causing your problem but they could do in a month's time, why use such rubbish when you can buy genuine Panasonic/Rubycon from CPC with only £5 min order (that bunch of caps would meet that order) with 3 days delivery.
              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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              • tom66
                EVs Rule
                • Apr 2011
                • 32560
                • UK

                #8
                Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                Check each of the diodes D101A thru D for shorts. check D160.
                Odd fault, can't see what R5 exactly does - maybe some kind of supply for the relays - but if so why is it burnt.
                Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                • vinceroger69
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 6714
                  • uk

                  #9
                  Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                  might help?
                  http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...24%26bih%3D631


                  this is direct link may need to translate it
                  http://www.teleservice-depannage.com...cd-philips.htm
                  Last edited by vinceroger69; 08-25-2014, 01:21 PM.

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                    That fuse is for feeding B+ to the STBY power supply SMPS IC U101, more likely there is shorted circuit in the IC or related parts. Check to see if R101 is also open circuit. Check the resistance on the two legs of cap C102A to see if it shows really low resistance.
                    That R5 is the fusible resistor for the feeding the rectifier diodes 101A~101C (check these dioded to make sure they are not damaged also) to run the SMPS IC in STANDBY mode, once the board get the PSON then the PFC Voltage booster will kick in then the B+ will be fed from D160 to run the STBY power supply.
                    Get the P/N of U101.
                    http://www.shopjimmy.com/philips-272...pply-unit.htm#


                    What is the model and chassis numbers of this TV?
                    Last edited by budm; 08-25-2014, 02:08 PM.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • Mikeyboy2007
                      Badcaps Veteran
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 745
                      • Scotland

                      #11
                      Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                      Originally posted by tom66
                      So they aren't causing your problem but they could do in a month's time, why use such rubbish when you can buy genuine Panasonic/Rubycon from CPC with only £5 min order (that bunch of caps would meet that order) with 3 days delivery.
                      got them out of Maplin for quickness, if it did the trick he was gonna buy Panasonic caps from ebay as i advised.

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                      • Mikeyboy2007
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 745
                        • Scotland

                        #12
                        Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                        Originally posted by tom66
                        Check each of the diodes D101A thru D for shorts. check D160.
                        Odd fault, can't see what R5 exactly does - maybe some kind of supply for the relays - but if so why is it burnt.
                        Tom, checked D101A thru D for shorts and all are fine. im unsure why R5 has burnt out think this may have happened after caps where replaced and tv was switched on as fuse blew 2-3 seconds after tv was plugged in.

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                        • Mikeyboy2007
                          Badcaps Veteran
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 745
                          • Scotland

                          #13
                          Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                          Originally posted by budm
                          That fuse is for feeding B+ to the STBY power supply SMPS IC U101, more likely there is shorted circuit in the IC or related parts. Check to see if R101 is also open circuit. Check the resistance on the two legs of cap C102A to see if it shows really low resistance.
                          That R5 is the fusible resistor for the feeding the rectifier diodes 101A~101C (check these dioded to make sure they are not damaged also) to run the SMPS IC in STANDBY mode, once the board get the PSON then the PFC Voltage booster will kick in then the B+ will be fed from D160 to run the STBY power supply.
                          Get the P/N of U101.
                          http://www.shopjimmy.com/philips-272...pply-unit.htm#


                          What is the model and chassis numbers of this TV?
                          Tom, IC U101 looks like it has a leg burnt right at the top just before going into the IC itself, im not sure how to check if R101 is open circuit maybe you can advise ? i tried and was giving me all different readings from 2 pins on one side to 4 on the other side. two legs of cap C102A show 283 both ways,

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                            The SMPS IC is bad. Can you still read numbers as printed on top of the IC.
                            You just check the resistance between the two leg of the resistor R101, no power to the unit of course.
                            When fuse is blackened like that, it has really shorted circuit, by now the short circuit is probably almost blew open/ resistance went up by now that is why you are reading 280 Ohms.
                            Last edited by budm; 08-25-2014, 05:27 PM.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • Mikeyboy2007
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 745
                              • Scotland

                              #15
                              Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                              the number on top of the IC is VJ07 FS0510 but cant seem to find any on ebay searching either of this codes ? where could i get one ? will it just be a case of replacing the IC, Fuse and resistor ? or will it have done more damage overall ?

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                              • kasfamily
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                                • Aug 2014
                                • 765
                                • Russia

                                #16
                                Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

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                                • Mikeyboy2007
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Mar 2013
                                  • 745
                                  • Scotland

                                  #17
                                  Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                                  thanks Kasfamily, does anyone have any info on the resistor that blew below the fuse. R5 on the board, also will replacing the IC, resistor and fuse fix the problem of it popping ?

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                                  • budm
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                                    Post 10:
                                    "What is the model and chassis numbers of this TV?"
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • Mikeyboy2007
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Mar 2013
                                      • 745
                                      • Scotland

                                      #19
                                      Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                                      also on ebay can only find same IC but with VJ50 and VB26 on top but the one on this board has VJ07 can anyone advise ?

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                                      • Mikeyboy2007
                                        Badcaps Veteran
                                        • Mar 2013
                                        • 745
                                        • Scotland

                                        #20
                                        Re: help with a Philips 47" LCD power fault

                                        Originally posted by budm
                                        Post 10:
                                        "What is the model and chassis numbers of this TV?"
                                        Does this info help. Thanks
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