17MB15E-7 motherboard: Horrible audio whine & Intermittent startup/lockup issue

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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #1

    17MB15E-7 motherboard: Horrible audio whine & Intermittent startup/lockup issue

    Will upload a video shortly on this.

    About 7kHz whine from speakers (verified with scope.) Horrible noise, very audible. Also, it will not always turn on - it shows digital glitch art (random mess) on the screen when it does not. Picture is fine if it turns on, even if it makes noise. And, once set warms up hideous noise goes away.

    I checked the amp board (since it has a separate one) and the noise is present on both input & output. Ruled that out for now then. So, I checked the power supply. There's some ripple at about 420Hz, but it's only about 100mVp-p on the 24V rail so I disregarded that.

    I then went to check main board. I tried freeze spraying a few things and once I hit an LM2576T switching regulator IC223 the noise got worse...hmm...

    Checked the output, 1.77V DC on the DMM so seemed OK (rated 1.8V on schematic), maybe slightly low but nothing to write home about. So used my scope on it and I find there's about 300mVp-p noise riding on it at 30kHz. In addition to this there's a lower frequency harmonic at 7kHz being modulated into this - the same frequency as our speaker noise. Freeze spraying it alters this noise and the tone heard from the speakers.

    No wonder the CPU crashes sometimes! It's getting a supply voltage from 1.6V to 1.9V at 30kHz, it's amazing it works at all!

    Replaced capacitor C905 and the problem was fixed, both noise and glitch art, it is near IC223 and is the input capacitor for the converter. It had ESR of 34.4 ohms!

    Moral of the story is that just because a switching converter has a good output voltage doesn't mean it's working!
    Last edited by tom66; 04-20-2014, 07:16 PM.
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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #2
    Re: 17MB15E-7 motherboard: Horrible audio whine & Intermittent startup/lockup issue

    Thanks for sharing, I wonder if you can use your AC meter, you can see the AC Voltage or use Freq mode to see the AC freq. I used that method awhile back to locate bad caps on main board.
    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=31410
    Last edited by budm; 04-20-2014, 07:16 PM.
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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    • tom66
      EVs Rule
      • Apr 2011
      • 32560
      • UK

      #3
      Re: 17MB15E-7 motherboard: Horrible audio whine & Intermittent startup/lockup issue

      I gave that a try and it didn't work on my meter (AC mode kept autoranging in and out, it does not like DC offset, frequency mode showed 0.0Hz) but it might work on a good Fluke. Meter was a B+K 2709B.
      An analog scope set free-running would work well to test for PSU noise or regulator noise.
      Last edited by tom66; 04-20-2014, 07:17 PM.
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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #4
        Re: 17MB15E-7 motherboard: Horrible audio whine & Intermittent startup/lockup issue

        Yes, the scope will be the best bet to use.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • tom66
          EVs Rule
          • Apr 2011
          • 32560
          • UK

          #5
          Re: 17MB15E-7 motherboard: Horrible audio whine & Intermittent startup/lockup issue

          An analog scope is best for these types of ripple, that being said, digital phosphor on digital scopes is quite good these days...

          I really like the digital phosphor on my new Rigol DS1074Z scope. So much nicer, the intensity grading makes it like a real analog scope, but it has 24 million point memory, and you can pause and zoom into any point, great for intermittent faults... Considering I only paid £100 more than what I paid for my Rigol DS1102E, and it has 4 channels, I consider it a modern scope bargain.
          Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
          For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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