My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

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  • tom66
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    • Apr 2011
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    #21
    Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

    (nevermind...)
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    • lookimback
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      #22
      Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

      Nevermind?
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      • tom66
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        #23
        Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

        I suspect Q4005 is a dual NPN/PNP pair transistor or possibly CMOS pair for gate drive, but NPN/PNP is most likely.

        Pin out guess:
        1. Vcc/NPN Collector (+15V)
        2. Vss/PNP Collector (GND)
        3. Input drive
        4. Output
        5. Input drive

        Q4006, not sure exactly, possibly dual NPN device as all pins appear uncommitted.

        ...Last post was an error in top mark decoding, had it confused with wrong device.
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        • tw2005
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          #24
          Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

          Originally posted by lookimback
          Here's closeups of the ICs. The 2 on the right I'm pretty sure are FAN73711.

          The one on the left, not so sure but maybe FAN73611?

          Digikey has both if that's what they are.

          Datasheets for both are attached.
          I just dug out my old board. Same 2 IGBTs were bad on that. You did well reading off those drivers. I can just make out the 73711, the other mine reads 7361(no sign or room for the last 1) but when I compare your datasheet and the sheet for the 7361 the pinouts for the 73611 makes sense. The 7361 is a little different pin wise.

          Could you see 11 at the end on yours?

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          • lookimback
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            #25
            Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

            Q4006 is marked 46. No other markings except a dot indicating pin 1.
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            • lookimback
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              #26
              Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

              Originally posted by tw2005
              I just dug out my old board. Same 2 IGBTs were bad on that. You did well reading off those drivers. I can just make out the 73711, the other mine reads 7361(no sign or room for the last 1) but when I compare your datasheet and the sheet for the 7361 the pinouts for the 73611 makes sense. The 7361 is a little different pin wise.

              Could you see 11 at the end on yours?
              I couldn't see the 11 either and no manufacturer's marking like the other one. I cleaned mine with 91% isopropyl alcohol and a cotton swab. Before that I couldnt read anything. A USB microscope is going to be my next tool acquisition.
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              • tom66
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                #27
                Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                Q4006 -maybe-:
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                • tw2005
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                  #28
                  Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                  Q4005 ? Hn4b101j
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                  • lookimback
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                    #29
                    Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                    Originally posted by tw2005
                    Q4005 ? Hn4b101j
                    That might be it. It's got the right markings.
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                    • tom66
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                      #30
                      Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                      Looks like the right part to me. I'm not sure about Q4005 though.
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                      • lookimback
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                        #31
                        Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                        Originally posted by tom66
                        Looks like the right part to me. I'm not sure about Q4005 though.
                        You mean Q4006 right?
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                        • tom66
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                          #32
                          Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                          No, Q4005.... Q4006, "5K", looks right and has the layout I'd expect.
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                          • lookimback
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                            Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                            Q4005 is 5K. Q4006 (far left) is marked 46. I think D4001 might be bad too. I'll pull it and check but in the board I get a reading regardless of polarity.
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                            • tw2005
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                              #34
                              Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                              Originally posted by tom66
                              Q4006 -maybe-:
                              This reinforces your find. This one MMBT3946DW1T1G, is marking 46(no K) different manufacturer same specs.
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                              • lookimback
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                                Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                                And reinforcing that even further, I am able to test it and it acts as it would if that datasheet is correct. I tested it in board but with negative on 4 I get a beep on 3 and 5. Neg on 1 I get a beep on 2 and 6.
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                                • tw2005
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                                  #36
                                  Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                                  Originally posted by lookimback
                                  I couldn't see the 11 either and no manufacturer's marking like the other one. I cleaned mine with 91% isopropyl alcohol and a cotton swab. Before that I couldnt read anything. A USB microscope is going to be my next tool acquisition.
                                  Mine has the same F(fairchild) marking as the others. Whatever they cover these boards with is real heavy duty.

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                                  • lookimback
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                                    #37
                                    Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                                    Originally posted by lookimback
                                    And reinforcing that even further, I am able to test it and it acts as it would if that datasheet is correct. I tested it in board but with negative on 4 I get a beep on 3 and 5. Neg on 1 I get a beep on 2 and 6.
                                    I get same in reverse polarity. Ill have to pull it to be certain.
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                                    • tom66
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                                      #38
                                      Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                                      I reverse engineered the circuit to prove to myself it is the right device, so I think you will just need to replace Q4006 and test the SMD resistors, the other parts should be OK. (The high side driver will still need replacing too.)
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                                      Last edited by tom66; 02-18-2014, 08:21 AM.
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                                      • lookimback
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                                        #39
                                        Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                                        I swear you are a genius Tom. Thanks.

                                        As for the components you were unsure of R4000 is 15 0hms, the IGBT was Q4007.
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                                        • tw2005
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                                          #40
                                          Re: My first plasma, RCA 42PA30RQ - Sound but no picture

                                          Originally posted by tom66
                                          I reverse engineered the circuit to prove to myself it is the right device, so I think you will just need to replace Q4006 and test the SMD resistors, the other parts should be OK. (The high side driver will still need replacing too.)
                                          nice work. What software is that?

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