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    LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

    LG 50PQ30C-UA Troubleshooting steps:

    Screen was not powering up.
    Upon turning on the red LED goes to BLUE and stays there, meaning the system was on (sending out voltage). The display would however be blank (no light at all).

    With Power supplied:
    Checked all voltages on PS board (input and output). The following voltages were in line
    Vs = 193V
    Va = 60V
    and all +5V terminals read as they should.
    Voltages read correct at the connection points on X and Y Sustain boards also.

    Looked at Caps and all caps on all boards looks good (not bulging or leaks)

    With power off:
    Checked fuses. All fuses on PS board were good. Fuses on X sustain were good.
    Main fuse (4A 250V) on Y sustain board was acting irregular. It tested open after the TV has been powered off for a while.
    However, it was testing good when power was applied, or right after TV was powered off. Fuses either work or don't so this made me scratch my head. I removed the fuse from the board and checked it...It was indeed opened.

    Replaced the fuse on the Y-SUS board and reinstalled. When I try to power up the TV, the blue LED comes on momentarily, but the TV powers back down after a few seconds. The newly installed fuse remains intact. This indicated that the Y-SUS has a problem and rather than performing component level diagnostics, the board was replaced.

    RESOLUTION 1:

    Replaced Y-SUS Board as I figured it to be the culprit, bought refurbished from the site tvpartsguy.com

    Symptoms got better but still no pic. The TV now goes through the power sequence with the new Y-SUS board.

    Further check of the -Vy and Vsc voltages yielded that these voltages were not present on the board. They would jump around, but never get above ~6 volts. I tried different connection configuration to determine the cause.
    I found that with the ribbon cable connected between the Y-SUS and Control boards this is when the voltages for Vy and Vsc went away. Upon disconnecting the ribbon cable and performing the checks with the TV on, the -Vy read 133.3V (with POT maxed out), for my unit this should read 135V. Vsc read 185 V as specified.
    Performed all steps related to the control board and the board is working fine per the results. Also performed continuity check on the 30 pin ribbon cable and cable tested fine.

    Here are some additional checks performed;
    Diagnostics of the Y-Driver (buffer) boards per the procedure and yielded the following results;

    (See attached word file with results)

    Read open on two points that should have read 1.94V.
    Reading were ok other than pins 11 and 12 read a bit low as shown.

    There were quite a few points that read irregular as shown.

    Also performed check for Auto Gen Test Pattern and got nothing. The PDP never comes on so there is no way to check any other image parameters.

    I am now thinking buffer boards based on the test results, but want to be sure before spending more money, as I still have a gut feeling that the main board (with all the inputs) could be the culprit.

    I am suspecting this because with power on and volume up, I get that “frying” sound like the one heard when on an unturned channel. However, and I change the input, regardless of where I stop, I get the same sound. Though there is no picture and I can't see what input I am on, I would think if I stop on a digital input (HDMI, DVI), the sound would stop…right? As these inputs normally do not have that frying sound associated with them. The other thing I am not sure of is the Vy and Vsc voltages on the Y-SUS board. I am stumped and could use some help. I am doing this as a challenge, and yes I am being challenged.

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    Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

    From reviewing the responses to other posts, I went through the process of powering up the unit with one Y-Buffer (Drive) board at a time, then with neither connected, still no images. The process I used for this was to disconnect the ribbon cables going from the buffer board to the PDP, so the board was still connected to the Y-SUS, is this acceptable? As I am typing this I am thinking maybe I want to power up with one board at a time totally removed from the unit. Don't think it will make a difference, but will try. Any thoughts?

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      #3
      Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

      No, you need to completely remove the buffer board. Also, if the buffer board is bad it can fry your ysus & vice versa. You will likely need to replace both buffer boards as well
      Last edited by pk7tanner; 06-03-2013, 01:25 PM.

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        #4
        Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

        Thanks for the response pk7... I performed the action as I suspected no changes with either or both buffer boards out, no image and the -Vy and Vsc still do not read. I still think there could be an issue with the buffer boards, but will need conclusive evidence. If I can get the question answered regarding these voltages, this may clear a few things up for me.

        Purpose of Vy and Vsc as defined by the LG repair manual;
        -VY VR502 - -VY Sets the Negative excursion of the Y-SUS Drive Waveform
        VSC VR501 -VSC Set the amplitude of the complex waveform.

        Questions:
        When I power up the set with with everthing connected except the ribbon connection between the Y-SUS and Control board, these two voltages read fine (135V and 185 V respectively. However, when I power up with the control board connected, regardless of what other boards are in or out of teh circuit, thes voltages doesnt read...they read somewhere around 2V. Are these volyages suppose to read all the time when the set is powered up, or id=s there soem function that causes them to not read due to someoperating mode? Basically, is what I am reading normal, or is there something causing these voltages not to read, and ifso, why does it only happen when I connect the control board to theY-SUS?...and remember control board tested good.

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          #5
          Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

          I know scarcely more than you. You need someone like tom66 to help you, but before that happens you'll need to post some decent pictures.
          The one thing I can help you with is this
          Attached Files

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            #6
            Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

            Maybe I missed it: Are you getting sound when you have an A/V source connected? Also, your results from your buffer board tests don't seem to be attached. Off hand, this seems like a control board or main board issue.
            Last edited by capkid; 06-04-2013, 01:49 AM.
            LG Plasma Mal-Discharge Correction Service

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              #7
              Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

              If Vsc and -Vy rise with control b/d connector out:
              - either Y-sus has short somewhere which control board is inadvertently switching in; or
              - the control board is bad
              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                #8
                Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                Thanks Capkid. I get sound but not associated with the input...regardless of where I stop when selecting the input button, I get the "frying" sound like when you or on air on untuned channel. Per the original post, I would expect a different result like no sound when I get to an input like a hdmi....of course I can't see if the input is changing with no pic. Hope this makes sense.

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                  #9
                  Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                  On these newer LG TVs pressing INPUT brings up a menu, INPUT pressed again selects an item sequentially, but you must press OK to confirm the selection or the menu will disappear.
                  Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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                    #10
                    Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                    I'm working on a very similar TV (50pq20) and I thought the same thing, but then i went to channel 2 and pressed the down ch button, I got silence. All of your symptoms sound eerily similar to mine. The difference is, I noticed the initial fault in the sustain boards and keyed in on those.

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                      #11
                      Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                      Tom66, Thanks for the response, that's good to know about the input selection and pressing ok, I will try that later this week when I am back in town. As for the Y-SUS and the Vy and Vsc issue, when I first took the unit apart the main fuse on the Y-SUS was blown. Replaced the fuse and the TV would power off after a few seconds. Repaced the Y-SUS and at least it powers on now. As I mentioned the Y-SUS is a refurb, so I can't guarantee it works 100%, but the TV store I got it from said it tested good. I can try another Y-SUS, but as this one is new and tested, I am sceptical. I did perform all the specified test for the control board and it tested good. Should my next focus be the main board, or replace the Y-SUS again? Where would you recommend I get a second Y-SUS from? I am just so lost!!

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                        #12
                        Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                        Specifically, which control board tests did you perform?
                        LG Plasma Mal-Discharge Correction Service

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                          #13
                          Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                          Attached is the section from the manual I followed and still got no image, but the LED flashed as it should and the voltages checked out. There is a section for attaching a scope, but I did not got that far as I would have to barrow a scope, plus the tests I performed seemed to pan out.

                          (Hopefully the attachment works)
                          Attached Files

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                            #14
                            Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                            If your ysus was bad, then your buffer boards are bad (both of them). Your zsus could have failed as well. I'd replace the buffer boards first. They're the cheapest and most likely item to have failed IMO. Page 69 of the manual I attached in my second post explains how to test your buffer boards.

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                              #15
                              Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                              Originally posted by pk7tanner View Post
                              If your ysus was bad, then your buffer boards are bad (both of them). Your zsus could have failed as well. I'd replace the buffer boards first. They're the cheapest and most likely item to have failed IMO. Page 69 of the manual I attached in my second post explains how to test your buffer boards.
                              Unless something has changed with these newer LGs, I wouldn't automatically assume that the buffers are bad. I've worked on lots of older LGs, and I only occasionally had buffer failures when the Y-Sus failed.
                              Last edited by capkid; 06-04-2013, 10:54 PM.
                              LG Plasma Mal-Discharge Correction Service

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                                #16
                                Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                                Originally posted by capkid View Post
                                Unless something has changed with these newer LGs, I wouldn't automatically assume that the buffers are bad. I've worked on lots of older LGs, and I only occasionally had buffer failures when the Y-Sus failed.
                                My experience with plasmas is limited, but the one I'm working on now is virtually identical and both units exhibited similar issues. Everything I've said is based off of this lone experience and I'm the first to admit that. The buffer boards are very easy to check with a dmm though.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                                  Possible your replacement Y-SUS is faulty as well? Or damaged since fitting by a bad buffer.

                                  Scope will help here so you can see the output from the YSUS (you might need to remove buffers to get it to stay on)

                                  I've had a few sustain failures on newer LG's, one required both even though only the Y was checking faulty, on replacing the Y I had no display and the heatsinks on the Z-SUS were getting very warm.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                                    By the way unless LG have changed, you can usually fire up the PDP with no main board attached, granted you won't get a display. All that's required is disconnecting the low voltage supply connectors from main to PSU.

                                    Does the PDP have built in test patterns? (as in some procedure to follow on CTRL with no LVDS attached).

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                                      #19
                                      Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                                      50PQ30 -- should be a jumper across EXT AUTO GEN to see test patterns.
                                      Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                                      For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                                        #20
                                        Re: LG 50PQ30C-UA No picture - blank PDP

                                        Some really good in for here. PK7... I did not see your page 69 attachment, however, I did perform the buffer test (see attached .doc) a few days ago.The only part that I was not able to do was with the unit running as there is no Vy and Vsc to send voltage to that area. I indicated in "red"the abnormalities.

                                        Not to throw another monkey wrench in the system, but for grins I was checking PS voly=tages and in standby the voltage across the main fuse should be 123V and 382V when unit is running. However I only read 325 when running. Vs and Va are being distributed at the required voltages, so I will not focus on this....just throwing it out there.

                                        Thanks guys.

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