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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
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    #21
    Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

    He needs to show good close up pictures around the connector of the T-CON so we can see this fuse. I never seen T-CON with resetable fuse before.
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    • tom66
      EVs Rule
      • Apr 2011
      • 32560
      • UK

      #22
      Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

      Originally posted by budm
      He needs to show good close up pictures around the connector of the T-CON so we can see this fuse. I never seen T-CON with resetable fuse before.
      I am suggesting the fuse was inadvertently replaced with a resettable fuse instead of a permanent fuse.
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      • budm
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        • Feb 2010
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        #23
        Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

        That is what I think or just very poor soldering joints, pictures will tell us what is gong on.
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        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • lenny1972
          Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 16
          • Italy

          #24
          Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

          Originally posted by budm
          That is what I think or just very poor soldering joints, pictures will tell us what is gong on.
          here a picture of the tcon board fuse that has been replaced..
          hope it can helps
          Attached Files

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          • tom66
            EVs Rule
            • Apr 2011
            • 32560
            • UK

            #25
            Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

            Hmm -- hard to tell -- I have seen orange resettable fuses before -- however, the best way to tell would be to install it in the TV, measure voltage on top end with TV working, then measure it as it starts giving problems or gets worse and see if there is a drop. Actually, measure the bottom too, because then we can rule out PSU, main board and cabling.
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            • budm
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              • Feb 2010
              • 40746
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              #26
              Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

              Agree with TOM suggestion in post 25, that will be the easiest test to do.
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              • lenny1972
                Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 16
                • Italy

                #27
                Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                Originally posted by tom66
                Hmm -- hard to tell -- I have seen orange resettable fuses before -- however, the best way to tell would be to install it in the TV, measure voltage on top end with TV working, then measure it as it starts giving problems or gets worse and see if there is a drop. Actually, measure the bottom too, because then we can rule out PSU, main board and cabling.
                I see..Just to be more precise:
                - the fuse is not orange but dark brown
                - the TCON board is already installed in the TV

                In order not to damage the TV or myself, i want to be sure and avoid any mistake, so I intend to do as follow:
                - I put the multimeter on DC 200
                - I have to find a negative point on the TCON board
                - I put the black tip of the voltmeter on the negative (on the board) and the red tip at the top end of the fuse and see which is the value when the TV works well
                - I repeat what above when the TV starts going wrong and see if there is a difference
                - I repeat the measure with the same negative but with the bottom end of the fuse to see if there is a voltage drop (before and after TV showing the problem)

                Now the hardest part.... how can I find a negative point on the board?? May I use any other negative point of the TV (for example the negative of the power supply board, that it's easier to find??)
                Sorry for my "stupid" questions but I want to be sure not to do any other damage
                Last edited by lenny1972; 02-05-2013, 12:19 AM.

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                • retiredcaps
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                  • Apr 2010
                  • 9271

                  #28
                  Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                  Originally posted by lenny1972
                  Now the hardest part.... how can I find a negative point on the board??
                  I normally use a ground screw closest to the measuring point. That is, you can use a ground screw on the t-con.
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                  • tom66
                    EVs Rule
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 32560
                    • UK

                    #29
                    Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                    And setting to DC20 will give one extra digit of resolution.
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                    • lenny1972
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                      • Jan 2013
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                      • Italy

                      #30
                      Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                      Originally posted by retiredcaps
                      I normally use a ground screw closest to the measuring point. That is, you can use a ground screw on the t-con.
                      Ok, I'll check it out and let you know the readings

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                      • lenny1972
                        Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 16
                        • Italy

                        #31
                        Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                        Something strange on the fuse....Below the readings:
                        TV working properly:
                        Black on TCON grounded screw and Red on Fuse BOTTOM = 4.94 VOLT
                        Black on TCON grounded screw and Red on Fuse TOP = 4.50 VOLT

                        TV NOT working properly:
                        Black on TCON grounded screw and Red on Fuse BOTTOM = 4.98 VOLT
                        Black on TCON grounded screw and Red on Fuse TOP = reading varyimg from 4.07 to 4.70 VOLT !!!!
                        A strange think happens when I did a second readings...I've noticed that pushing with the red pin of the tester on the bottom soldering of the fuse the problem disappeared..!!!! So I tried to use just the red pin not attached to the tester..and the problem fix...
                        It has to be a poor/cold soldering of the fuse on the TCON )))))))
                        May I try to fix the join by just putting the solder tip on the joint or do I have to desolder the fuse and solder it again?!?!
                        Last edited by lenny1972; 02-09-2013, 01:15 AM.

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                        • tom66
                          EVs Rule
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 32560
                          • UK

                          #32
                          Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                          I would suspect a failed fuse -- simply replace the fuse for longest reliability.
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                          • lenny1972
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                            • Jan 2013
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                            • Italy

                            #33
                            Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                            Originally posted by tom66
                            I would suspect a failed fuse -- simply replace the fuse for longest reliability.
                            But how can I find the fuse value or type?
                            Can you help me in identifying the right one?

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                            • tom66
                              EVs Rule
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 32560
                              • UK

                              #34
                              Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                              Since the fuse has been replaced incorrectly, and given the board takes in 5V (usually 2.5~3A at 5V), I'm going to estimate a 4A fuse.

                              http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...84-1-ND/615045
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                              • lenny1972
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                                • Jan 2013
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                                • Italy

                                #35
                                Re: Sony KDL40S2000 TCON board issue...

                                Ok. Do you think that I have to take a SMD fuse ( like the one you suggested me) or can I take something bigger in order to be easier to solder??

                                If a SMD component is needed can I buy this product?

                                http://www.ebay.it/itm/Fuse-10-pcs-S...1#ht_500wt_689

                                It seems to be the same item of your link...

                                When soldering the fuse on the board do I have to be aware of something specific (i.e. solder temperature, fuse position, etc..)?? Sorry but I'm really a newbie...
                                Last edited by lenny1972; 02-10-2013, 09:16 AM.

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