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  • playman
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Jan 2011
    • 252

    #1

    Need alittle help with a fan transformer

    Hi there, hope it's the right forum section.
    I have a what i believe a wall fan that is 230v 150w
    Could some one tell me what the brown, grey and black wire are.
    #3 had burned out so I patched it, hence the red shrink tube.
    I measured
    1-2 @ 10 Ohm
    5-6 @ 5 Ohm
    6-8 @ 14.5 Ohm
    7-8 @ 9.8 Ohm
    Are these reading ok? is it safe to plug in?
    I have no idea why it was discontinued in use other than the #3 burned out.
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  • R_J
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jun 2012
    • 9535
    • Canada

    #2
    Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

    Without seeing the rest of the fan, Is there a speed select switch? was there a capacitor connected to the motor? How do you know it is 250 volt 150 watt? is there a lablel on it?
    My guess would be it is a 2 speed fan, black is common, grey and brown are high and low speed selection. so connect a/c between black and grey are one speed or connect black and brown for the other speed.
    Last edited by R_J; 03-02-2019, 04:35 PM.

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    • playman
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Jan 2011
      • 252

      #3
      Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

      Originally posted by R_J
      Without seeing the rest of the fan, Is there a speed select switch? was there a capacitor connected to the motor? How do you know it is 250 volt 150 watt? is there a lablel on it?
      My guess would be it is a 2 speed fan, black is common, grey and brown are high and low speed selection. so connect a/c between black and grey are one speed or connect black and brown for the other speed.
      Nope no switches or speed selector.
      It's very similar to this one.
      https://www.amresupply.com/part/F684...-ASSEMBLY-684N
      The volt and wattage is written/stamped on it, have a high res picture of it here.
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/15DD...ew?usp=sharing

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      • R_J
        Badcaps Legend
        • Jun 2012
        • 9535
        • Canada

        #4
        Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

        So how was it originally connected?

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        • playman
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Jan 2011
          • 252

          #5
          Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

          No idea sorry, it came from a deceased person and it was just along with other things.

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          • R_J
            Badcaps Legend
            • Jun 2012
            • 9535
            • Canada

            #6
            Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

            Well then your guess is as good as anyones, It could be a 2 speed, or it could be missing the capacitor?
            I can't seem to make out the brand name ??M?

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            • playman
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Jan 2011
              • 252

              #7
              Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

              I assembled it, doesn't seem there has been any capacitor, atleast no room for
              it on the inside.
              It's really hard to read on it.

              ΓIMΓ Sd 180595D
              MOD.K40 RP 0863 CL B
              230v ~ 50Hz 150W

              That's what I believe is written there.
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              • R_J
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jun 2012
                • 9535
                • Canada

                #8
                Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                Well if the leads came out of the fan like that I would guess 2 speed fan.

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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                  Originally posted by R_J
                  Well if the leads came out of the fan like that I would guess 2 speed fan.
                  +1, it is 2 speed shaded pole motor.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • playman
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 252

                    #10
                    Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                    Awesome thanks for the help.
                    So I guess the readings were fine? and the burned wire must have happened because of overload/strain on the motor?

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                    • sam_sam_sam
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 6037
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                      I would recommend that you use an incandescent light bulb in series with this motor to see if it spins with way you are wiring it

                      This is for safety reasons

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                      • playman
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 252

                        #12
                        Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                        Originally posted by sam_sam_sam
                        I would recommend that you use an incandescent light bulb in series with this motor to see if it spins with way you are wiring it

                        This is for safety reasons
                        Could you explain that more please?

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                        • playman
                          Badcaps Veteran
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 252

                          #13
                          Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                          Well I just tried plugging it in, first brown and black then grey and black, and no luck
                          did not get any action from it :/

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                          • R_J
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 9535
                            • Canada

                            #14
                            Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                            The closest motor I found was this from http://www.zhaolimotor.com/en/product-show-833.html
                            YJ84 is one type
                            Does it look like there may have been a wire on pin 5? It could be a 3 speed motor
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                            Last edited by R_J; 03-03-2019, 09:26 PM.

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                            • playman
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 252

                              #15
                              Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                              Originally posted by R_J
                              The closest motor I found was this from http://www.zhaolimotor.com/en/product-show-833.html
                              YJ84 is one type
                              Does it look like there may have been a wire on pin 5? It could be a 3 speed motor
                              It does not look like there was a wire in pin #5.
                              Also I noticed that the grey and brown are completely isolated.
                              I can only measure between pin #1 and #2.
                              Pin #1 or #2 cannot be measured between #3 to #8

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                              • budm
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 40746
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                                May be the thermal protection fuse has blown, so the owner just discard the unit?
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                • playman
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Jan 2011
                                  • 252

                                  #17
                                  Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                                  Originally posted by budm
                                  May be the thermal protection fuse has blown, so the owner just discard the unit?
                                  Well as I said earlier the #3 pin/wire was burned out, had to resolder it.
                                  where might that fuse be hiding?
                                  only place that I can see that could hold a fuse would be the #6 but I can measure from the #5 pin and #4 fine.

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                                  • budm
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                                    Thermal fuse is usually buried under the winding wrapping.
                                    Good motor will have thermal protection, otherwise you can have problems like these:
                                    https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...912857388f.pdf
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                                    Last edited by budm; 03-05-2019, 05:38 PM.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • playman
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Jan 2011
                                      • 252

                                      #19
                                      Re: Need alittle help with a fan transformer

                                      Ah that might explain things, then it's off to the recycling.
                                      Thank you very much for the help.

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