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  • keyboardcowboy
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 73

    #1

    Cheap Supply

    Got a cheap supply for free with bad output 5.8 Volts on the 12 volt rail and 2.5 volts on the 5 volt rail..Iam not planning to use it with a system just want to use it for other purposes..Can it be fixed???
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  • kc8adu
    Super Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 8832
    • U.S.A!

    #2
    Re: Cheap Supply

    best fix is to use it for educational purposes.
    troubleshoot it to learn only.
    then toss it.
    its a typical powmax gutless wonder.
    only value is scrapmetal.

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    • keyboardcowboy
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2006
      • 73

      #3
      Re: Cheap Supply

      How to fix it???
      Any idea!!!

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      • keyboardcowboy
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 73

        #4
        Re: Cheap Supply

        how to bring the 12V and 5 V rail back online

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        • Krankshaft
          Badcaps Legend
          • Jan 2007
          • 2328
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Cheap Supply

          Do the output voltages hold steady or fluctuate?

          If they hold steady you're probably looking at a feedback problem.
          Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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          • keyboardcowboy
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2006
            • 73

            #6
            Re: Cheap Supply

            Output is dead steady.

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            • Krankshaft
              Badcaps Legend
              • Jan 2007
              • 2328
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Cheap Supply

              Then I'd check the feedback sampling circuits for shorted or off value resistors.

              If that reveals nothing then the issue may lie inside the PWM IC.
              Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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              • dood
                Deputy dood
                • Mar 2004
                • 2462
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Cheap Supply

                Check or replace that fuse. Looks like it might be on its way to being blown. Measure voltage on either side of it to see if there's a partial drop, and check resistance through it. I've seen fuses partially fail during a power event and then only allow partial current/voltage through.
                Ludicrous gibs!

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                • Krankshaft
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 2328
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Cheap Supply

                  No way I had that happen once too I was so embarrassed when I found it out.

                  Good observation I hope that the discoloration on that fuse is dust and not vaporized filament .

                  I've read that the theory is the fuse filament vaporizes on the glass fuse body making a resistive electrical connection across the fuse body allowing the current to still flow at reduced capacity (due to the resistance).

                  It was on a 5.1 audio amp the fuse was an axial type incased in one of the transformer secondary wires.

                  When I finally broke down and cut off the heat shrink tubing I measured a resistance.

                  If you want to do it in a safer fashion measure for resistance across the fuse.

                  Any DECENT power supply would actiate undervoltage protection in this case shutting the supply down. If that isn't a sign to junk it then I don't know what is.

                  There are plenty of cheap ATX psu's to be had that are way better designed than this one.

                  But if it's just to see if you can get it working keep posting results.
                  Last edited by Krankshaft; 07-23-2008, 11:43 AM.
                  Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                  • arneson
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 1267

                    #10
                    Re: Cheap Supply

                    Never heard of a half blown fuse before.
                    That is extremely odd.
                    I'm very familiar with magnetic or thermally operated circuit breakers that no longer hold on under load, but I always thought a fuse was either go or no go.
                    Jim

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                    • Junk Parts
                      Court Jester
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 8953
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Cheap Supply

                      This is a different fuse and a different situation but here is my story. Back in the mid eighties I had a nice 71 Datsun 510. One day it was snowing like hell and was about 21F outside. On my way to college the heat stopped blowing. That evening on the way home first one headlight went dim, and a few mile after that the other went dim too. Pulled into this gas station the do a quick check and found 14.7V at the battery with engine running and 12.2V not running. Ok the charging systems working OK. So next I opened the fuse block under the hood and they all looked good! They were the old glass tube type fuses. I pulled the heater fuse and its metal end cap fell right off. The element looked perfect but it had detatched at its termination at the cap. The A---holes at that station charged me $3.99 for one fuse! Anyway I stuck that new fuse in and the heater started blowing again! Yes I went back in and bought the two headlight fuses, and they came back to life too. All the fuses had the same problem at their ends. It still pisses me off that I had to pay $12.00 for something that should have cost $1.50. Yes checkout that fuse.
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                      • Krankshaft
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 2328
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Cheap Supply

                        Originally posted by arneson
                        I'm very familiar with magnetic or thermally operated circuit breakers that no longer hold on under load, but I always thought a fuse was either go or no go.
                        Thats why it's said that fuses aren't 100% reliable in most situtations they will blow as planned however in certain instances they won't.
                        Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                        • i4004
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 2029

                          #13
                          Re: Cheap Supply

                          eh, junk parts...those 10.5$ would surely make you a millionaire today....hehe...

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                          • keyboardcowboy
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 73

                            #14
                            Re: Cheap Supply

                            How can I test the PWM,its a AUK S494P

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                            • keyboardcowboy
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 73

                              #15
                              Re: Cheap Supply

                              Found The Problem!!
                              it wasnt the Supply it was ME ,I was shorting the wrong wires to turn the PSU ON,instead of shorting the Power On wire with Ground i was shorting it with the Red(5v) wire.But now after fixing this the Supply wont even turn On the fan spins for a second and then turns off.

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                              • kc8adu
                                Super Moderator
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 8832
                                • U.S.A!

                                #16
                                Re: Cheap Supply

                                hook a harddrive to it and try again.
                                many power supplies need a minimum load.

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                                • keyboardcowboy
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Apr 2006
                                  • 73

                                  #17
                                  Re: Cheap Supply

                                  No matter whatever i attach with the supply it still wont turn ON

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                                  • keyboardcowboy
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Apr 2006
                                    • 73

                                    #18
                                    Re: Cheap Supply

                                    Tested the switching transistors and the Standby voltage,its fine.

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                                    • keyboardcowboy
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Apr 2006
                                      • 73

                                      #19
                                      Re: Cheap Supply

                                      Interesting Find!!

                                      After removing the COSMO 1010 817 Photocoupler the PSU starts up normally. Iam pretty righ now about what the problem might be??

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                                      • capamatic
                                        Member
                                        • Apr 2006
                                        • 33

                                        #20
                                        Re: Cheap Supply

                                        Get the datasheet of your monitoring/protection IC. If the `FPOB` pin is connected to the Opto, then the PSU starts because you have effectively disabled the output fault protection signal. It`s hard-powered on.
                                        You should be careful that your voltages etc are OK, as your PSU is now not fault protected.
                                        Consequently, if your outputs are OK, then you have a faulty protection IC or Opto.

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