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  • SteveNielsen
    Retired Tech
    • Jun 2012
    • 2327
    • USA

    #1

    Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

    Someone gave me this thing and it actually worked for a couple of days just fine and I was actually a bit impressed. A bad neutral connection in the local ac mains ckt in the apartment (which has since been repaired) was causing intermittent problems and I suspect contributed to the death of the PSU, with the ac mains cutting in and out several times. Even with the computer off there are active standby things alive (or rather, WERE alive) and it obviously didn't live through the ordeal, but perhaps was gonna blow anyway. Whatever. Doesn't matter at this point, it is dead now.

    Mains fuse (10A/250V) is open. It's on a small board where what looks like a dual rectifier is, as well as two toroid coils and a few small caps and resistors, perhaps an MOV in there as well (there is so much damn glue all over things that are crammed into sardine can conditions that it's hard to tell). I checked the primary e-caps (820uF/200VDC/105c) and they seem fine but there is a dead short across the solder points/traces for one of the big caps with the cap removed. I traced it back up to the dual rectifier which appears to be a dead short on one side. I have been unable to find a schematic for the PSU. I have not removed the dual rectifier yet or checked any other components and I don't know the pinout on the rectifier.

    I must say I really don't care for how Macs are put together. They have got to be the most difficult computer types I have ever worked on, and I have worked on literally TONS of computers as a tech for 30ish years. I'm retired and have forgotten more than I've learned. I am not a Mac hater though, a working computer is a working computer to me and if it is useful and/or fun it's fine by me. It was incredibly stupid to have to remove everything from inside the top half of the case just to get the PSU out though, and getting the boards out of the PSU was even more "fun". I swear that Apple purposefully made their stuff to be difficult to repair.

    BTW, I need the 28Vdc output to power up the Studio Display that came with it. Also the onboard USB ports are physically broken so I need to use the USB ports on the Studio Display, so using a standard ATX PSU re-pinned is not going to cut it with this one.

    Okay, lay the advice on me folks. Should I be looking at additional suspect parts or could it be just a case of a primary rectifier shorting out under dirty/intermittent power main conditions?

    Apologies for the crappy pics. My wife keeps taking the camera from me before I can figure out how to get a good shot. LOL!
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  • cheapie
    null
    • Jul 2010
    • 849
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

    If there was a power surge when the power came back on after being off, it could have made one of the MOVs become shorted, which would blow the fuse. Try removing the MOVs and see if the short goes away. If it's still there, I would check the rectifier, followed by the mains filter caps (X-caps and Y-caps), then finally the switching transistors.

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    • SteveNielsen
      Retired Tech
      • Jun 2012
      • 2327
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

      That makes good sense and confirms my thinking. I'll do as you suggest. Thanks. My old brain appreciates the help
      (I'm not really that old, I just have a lot of miles on me)

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      • SteveNielsen
        Retired Tech
        • Jun 2012
        • 2327
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

        MOVs are ok, short is still there. Correction in order; the rectifier is indeed a 4-lead bridge that is proving to be a bitch to get out.

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        • stj
          Great Sage 齊天大聖
          • Dec 2009
          • 31163
          • Albion

          #5
          Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

          after you get it running,
          you need a modern linux install for ppc processor.
          the original "aimed at mac" one was yellow-dog.

          http://www.fixstars.com/en/technolog...what/overview/

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          • SteveNielsen
            Retired Tech
            • Jun 2012
            • 2327
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

            I remember Yellow Dog from long ago. I have fairly recent Ubuntu for PPC. The machine has OS X on it now which I don't mind and I'll probably keep that on the drive and use a different drive for Linux if I decide to go that route. I was honestly impressed with how fast OS X runs on it even with only 128MB RAM.
            Last edited by SteveNielsen; 06-07-2014, 07:07 AM.

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            • SteveNielsen
              Retired Tech
              • Jun 2012
              • 2327
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

              I need a better solder sucker. I finally got the bridge rectifier out and it is a dead short between the - and adjacent ~ leads. It's a KBU805G, 8A, 600v. Now to find one and a 10A 250V fuse. Anything else I should check while I'm in here that may have blown? I see some heat discoloration near one side of the large heatsink on the big board but none of the components there are discolored or appear visually damaged.

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              • stj
                Great Sage 齊天大聖
                • Dec 2009
                • 31163
                • Albion

                #8
                Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                solder suckers work much better if you put a bit of hellerman-sleeve on the end to improve the seal.
                the one you want is "H30X25"

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                • SteveNielsen
                  Retired Tech
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 2327
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                  Thanks for the tip. It's just a hand operated spring type and I'm going to build myself a small electric sucker one of these days. Either that or duct tape the cylinder from another (broken) hand operated spring loaded sucker to my vacuum cleaner.

                  The bridge rectifier is kind of hard to find. The closest thing I can find so far is:
                  http://www.amazon.com/FAIRCHILD-SEMI...ctifier+bridge

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                  • stj
                    Great Sage 齊天大聖
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 31163
                    • Albion

                    #10
                    Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                    it's the handheld piston type pumps you put the sleeving on.

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                    • SteveNielsen
                      Retired Tech
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 2327
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                      Thanks again stj. Noted.

                      The bridge rect and fuse replacement did the trick and the Mac G4 is up and running now. I probably oughta see about repairing the on board USB jacks. OS X 10.2.8 is running and seems ok but I've got another pata drive I can put in it and install linux and see how that does. The thing came with only 128MB SDRAM but I've got it up to 512MB with some old memory I had. I am surprised how quick this old box is. Last time I saw one was about 4 years ago in a high school lab when I worked for the school district here.

                      The monitor works great but is missing the stand so I'll have to figure something out to correct that.

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                      • SteveNielsen
                        Retired Tech
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 2327
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                        I tried installing a handful of various Linux distros (Ubuntu 12.04 for PPC, Ubuntu 12.04 Alt for PPC, Kubuntu 12.04 for PPC, Kubuntu 12.04 Alt for PPC, Kubuntu 10.04 Alt for PPC, and Lubuntu 13.04 for PPC). All of them failed to complete the install save Lubuntu but it was incredibly slow compared to OS X 10.2.8 (which is Unix in a Mac GUI). OS X works fine on this machine and I'll leave it for now. My only potential concern is the inability to reinstall OS X since I don't have and will not pay for an OS X disc from Apple. The best I could do at this point is to image the entire disk in the event of needing a re-install, unless someone has magic to create OS X install disc from an active installation or some other solution.

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                        • stj
                          Great Sage 齊天大聖
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 31163
                          • Albion

                          #13
                          Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                          you can install 10.5.6 from what i can see.
                          the iso is available on the mule.

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                          • Agent24
                            I see dead caps
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 5021
                            • New Zealand

                            #14
                            Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                            Originally posted by SteveNielsen
                            I need a better solder sucker
                            Make sure you don't forget to clean it out from time to time. I find that mine becomes slow and stops sucking well when it gets dirty. When I clean it out I also spray some WD40 up into it. Works great and the difference is very noticeable.
                            "Tantalum for the brave, Solid Aluminium for the wise, Wet Electrolytic for the adventurous"
                            -David VanHorn

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                            • stj
                              Great Sage 齊天大聖
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 31163
                              • Albion

                              #15
                              Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                              Originally posted by Agent24
                              When I clean it out I also spray some WD40 up into it. Works great and the difference is very noticeable.
                              yea, i do something like that, but use better thicker oil.
                              only problem is it slams up so fast that i shattered 2 e-clips and had to pick the plunger up from the other side of the room.

                              if you intend to lube the pump, it's a good idea to put a rubber washer/o-ring onto the plunger shaft just before the e-clip to absorb the impact as it slams to a stop.

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                              • Agent24
                                I see dead caps
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 5021
                                • New Zealand

                                #16
                                Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead



                                I don't think mine goes fast enough to do that. It's one of these: http://jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?...SUBCATID=953#1 (Well, not exactly. Mine was from Dick Smith and is a brass colour)

                                Can't see any way to remove the plunger and I don't see clips of any kind on it anyway.
                                "Tantalum for the brave, Solid Aluminium for the wise, Wet Electrolytic for the adventurous"
                                -David VanHorn

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                                • stj
                                  Great Sage 齊天大聖
                                  • Dec 2009
                                  • 31163
                                  • Albion

                                  #17
                                  Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                                  sometimes the plastic pulls off the top of the plunger.
                                  if you pull the section out behind the spring, like when you clean it,
                                  then take the top off the plunger and let it drop through.
                                  hold the button in when you do or a spring will throw the button on the floor.

                                  btw,
                                  mine's an Antex pro unit.
                                  http://www.ekt2.com/products/product...4-6994fa9f1305
                                  it has a wider body & bigger spring and the piston has 2 o-rings instead of the usual 1
                                  Last edited by stj; 06-19-2014, 12:00 AM.

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                                  • SteveNielsen
                                    Retired Tech
                                    • Jun 2012
                                    • 2327
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                                    What is "the mule"?

                                    I clean the solder sucker out frequently and lube it using petroleum jelly on the big o-ring. It works fine for what it is but it's a smaller type, the cylinder is only about 3" deep. For some things I would rather use an electric pump type, not to get more suction but to get longer duration of it.

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                                    • stj
                                      Great Sage 齊天大聖
                                      • Dec 2009
                                      • 31163
                                      • Albion

                                      #19
                                      Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                                      http://emulemorph.sourceforge.net/
                                      http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.cgi?l=1

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                                      • SteveNielsen
                                        Retired Tech
                                        • Jun 2012
                                        • 2327
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Macintosh G4 M5183 PSU dead

                                        Ok, thanks. I don't do peer-peer file sharing though.

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