Ban the import and sale of Deer/L&C power supplies?

[larrymoencurly]

Re: Ban the import and sale of Deer/L&C power supplies?

I have a friend that has a friend (REO Speedwagon song?) that works at ECS.

He says that when they submit a sample board for OEM, they use all good components and quote the price of that build the same as the build cost (i.e.: zero profit.)

Once they get the business, they replace all of the components on that PCB with much cheaper components and make their profit from the money they saved.

Don't the OEMs check for any such changes? I would think that if anybody gets cheated this way, it's the retail customers because few of them can tell when corners have been cut. For example, I have a Gateway with a Socket 370 mobo full of Japanese brand caps, including Sanyo Oscons, while a very similar retail FIC mobo has only Taiwan caps.

Do safety certification organizations, like UL and TUV, require that PSUs actually put out their full rated amps and watts, or do they merely require that they meet fire and electric shock standards?

[jonnyGURU]

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Don't the OEMs check for any such changes?

It's difficult to check since the product is boxed by the manufacturer and not the OEM. VAR and consumer don't know what to expect because they never get to see the original samples. Only what's put into production.

[jonnyGURU]

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And when the OEM does find out, it's like "oh... we made a mistake" and they move on.

[yanz]

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@linuxguru,
glad that i asked! thanks for valueable explanations

[PeteS in CA]

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I have a friend that has a friend (REO Speedwagon song?) that works at ECS.

At ECS's Fremont, CA office? I drive by there 10 times a week (AM and PM commute).

[jonnyGURU]

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No. In Taiwan. I think the Fremont office is just for distro of ECS branded product and not the ODM/OEM.

[hardwareguy]

Don't Even Get Me Started!

I HATE Deer / L&C!

4 years ago:

When I was in high school, I was notorious with the network staff for bringing my own homebrew PC to class and connecting it to the school network. I don't know why the freaked out, after all, I didn't have the domain password! Without the pw, I couldn't even access a printer let alone the main server. This PC was an old K6-III 450 OCd to 550 with 192MB of ram, 8.4GB 5400 RPM disk and a DVD drive and a GeForce 2 MX400, not a power hungry box, but hey it was MUCH faster than the school PCs at the time (P200 with 32MB RAM, 430 TX chipset!). It cost me about $300 in parts and had no case, everything was mounted to a piece of plywood.

One day I fired it up and sat back to do some coding and then BANG! Tons of HORRID smelling smoke came out and I immediately yanked the plug. The teacher was nice enough to give me an extension on that assignment.

Thank god I was the only student in that CS class period, I'd have never lived that one down. The rest of the machine lived however. The machine took maybe 150W to run. I knew the PSU was crap, but I figued it could handle 150W.....

I felt like an idiot. I should have known better, after all, the PCs I sold had Enermax in them.......... I have since switched to Fortron as my main PSU company and I don't see myself switching any time soon. Who can argue with zero failures in the last three years?

[yanz]

Re: Ban the import and sale of Deer/L&C power supplies?

be carefull also with the fortrons, altough they are good quality/design they oftenly contain jamicon (TM/TK) and fuhjyyu (TMR/TNR) in them.

L&C oftenly is missing those Cx and Cy capasitor and the LF/Coil in the transient power/input filter.

[gonzo0815]

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Not all Fortron contain fzuhjyyu, at least the retail units have Jamicon, Teapo and Ost. As far as i can say, no Fortron retail PSU has givven me some trouble up to now. On the other side, there are several psu`s oem`d by Medion. Those usually devellop bad caps after 1 to 3 years. But to be honest, they are running quite hot, have not adequate power and are build in very bad ventilated high power Intel rigs. So i think that this wasn`t FSP`s fault. They build what they get paid fore.

[yanz]

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i can only thing that teapo and ost are their neighbor in taiwan/china, so they have to use their neighbor's product . it would be different if they build them in japan, usa, or europe, i suppose..

[larrymoencurly]

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i can only thing that teapo and ost are their neighbor in taiwan/china, so they have to use their neighbor's product . it would be different if they build them in japan, usa, or europe, i suppose..

My Deltas were made in Thailand and China but have only Japanese brand caps in them.

I also have a retail-boxed Fortron Sparkle brand PSU that contains Fuhjyyus.

[PeteS in CA]

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Delta builds moderately high volume products in Thailand, and high volume products in China. While nosing around my UCC catalogue yesterday, I noticed that they manufacture their low Z series in China (as well as elsewhere). I'm guessing the same may be true of Nichicon, Rubycon, and Panasonic.

[kc8adu]

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if you want to ban a psu the worst offender is the powmax/apower/mge/echo star/hercules/whatever they rebadge it as this week shitboxes.not just cheap but dangerous junk.
a business client called me on an emergency run at 2 am where a echostar blew up and puked out flaming debris.needless to say i inspected 46 pc's that morning and swapped in recapped fortrons.
i scared the hell out of their i.t guy that did the builds.i had him go out on the dock with me and the owner of the company.we were carrying 25 lb sledgehammers and he was carrying the echostars.
he told us later he thought we intended to kill him!
we sledgehammered 20 of those psu's.some new in the box!

[Super Nade]

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lol!

Couldn't you return those units to the company you bought them from? Why are they building severs with cheap ass crap anyway?

I voted YES. Infact all units which do not meet certain reliability standards should be banned. Unreliable units = fire hazard.

[kc8adu]

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i.t guy thought he could save a few hundred$ by specifing cheap parts.
that i.t guy no longer allowed to touch hardware.
and yes i bet we could have rma'd the units.
but would have gotten more of the same crap as replacements.besides bsu/sledgeomatic parties are fun!

[Super Nade]

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Where are the damn pictures? Also, you could have poured petrol on it, setting it on fire!

[Spyke]

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Yep, saving a few bucks, and sacrificing the power supply quality, big mistake. Plenty of safer ways to save money when building servers, the power supply certainly isn't one of them.

Yes, ban these pieces of junk, and include Boom^H^H^H^HPowMax with it.

[Newbie2]

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I'm running an L&C 450W ATX power supply in a Pentium III 450MHz (Slot 1 processor) that has 256MB RAM. Reason is that was the only power supply I had collecting dust on the shelf in my closet!

I replaced the weak fan of it with a powerful 80MM ball bearing fan. It is noisy though, but it will help cool down that L&C.

It's true that L&C/Deer PSU are low-quality.