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  • larrymoencurly
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Oct 2004
    • 960
    • USA

    #1

    If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

    ...which would you choose, assuming you couldn't recap?

    Fry's has 350W Ultra V series PSUs (Wintech) for free after $25 rebate, some built with JEE caps, others with Canicons, and some friends of mine want to maintain the lifetime warranty and won't recap.
  • linuxguru
    Badcaps Legend
    • Apr 2005
    • 1564

    #2
    Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

    I wouldn't take them unless I intended to recap immediately - I'd much rather pay $50 for a Fortron or Enhance or something with reasonable caps. Cost of lost data on a dead hard drive is going to be much more than the money saved on a freebie PSU.

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    • larrymoencurly
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Oct 2004
      • 960
      • USA

      #3
      Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

      I agree with you completely, but some people are beyond reason, and like Ultra would ever notice a recap with Japanese caps anyway, especially if it was done with black caps that resembled the originals?

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      • jonnyGURU
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Feb 2006
        • 244
        • United States

        #4
        Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

        The Canicons are better than JEE.

        The V-Series 350W uses all JEE caps.

        I think the Canicons are only used in the X-Finity and X2. And they (Ultra) interchange those with Noppon Cemi-con. Ends up costing about the same for them because the money they save on going with the Cani-cons, they spend in labor pre-testing every capacitor to make sure it's up to spec (they don't trust the Chinese caps any more than we do.)

        Why even bother? Nippon Cemi-Con caps in high quantities (20K at a time to build power supplies with) is nearly impossible to get on a few weeks notice.

        I seriously doubt they do that with the JEE's, but I can ask.

        EDIT: And the caps are yellow. So black caps would be pretty obvious.
        Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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        • larrymoencurly
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Oct 2004
          • 960
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          #5
          Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

          My 350W V-Series (sticker D10xx), has all JEEs, as does a friend's (sticker D03xx), but another friend's has mostly Capicons and a few JEEs.

          Also all of these 350W V-Series PSUs differ from the one shown in your photo in that they have a small circuit board in the lower left corner with an extra EMI filter.

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          • jonnyGURU
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Feb 2006
            • 244
            • United States

            #6
            Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

            Really?

            I know the 500W have Capicons, but I've not seen a 350W with anything but JEE.

            They must have run out of JEE caps.

            And I wasn't referencing the photo on my website. I actually have another one sitting here next to me. And an X-Finity 350W too and it looks like that has all JEE's in it.

            Now I know I'm going to have to ask!
            Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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            • larrymoencurly
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Oct 2004
              • 960
              • USA

              #7
              Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

              Here's a picture of my 350W Ultra V-Series with both Canicon and JEE caps (notice the small circuit board at the lower left):

              http://static.flickr.com/52/131850760_5ef9cd080f.jpg

              and here's another picture:

              http://static.flickr.com/50/131851289_aef4270389_b.jpg

              Here's the same model PSU that has only JEE caps:

              http://static.flickr.com/53/131856200_750d691165_b.jpg

              I think that the date code on the PC board of the last PSU shows a later manufacturing date, by about a month.

              I noticed that Wintech runs these at about 50 KHz rather than the more common 60 KHz. Is there any reason for this? Because Fortron's older 80mm fan 300-350W models run at 40 KHz but have much bigger transformers, and Delta seems to use about 100 KHz in several models, and their transformers are almost as large as Fortron's.
              Last edited by larrymoencurly; 04-20-2006, 07:26 AM.

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              • jonnyGURU
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Feb 2006
                • 244
                • United States

                #8
                Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

                Huh... I guess availability of caps is really random.

                I fired off an email to my guy at Ultra asking him about the different quality of the caps and what the QC is on the selection process.

                It might be the weekend until I hear back though. He's not the actual EE, his brother is. I'd ask him directly, but he doesn't speak English.
                Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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                • jonnyGURU
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 244
                  • United States

                  #9
                  Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

                  Reply from 12 hours East:

                  they are about the same level quality and can be replaced with each other. Because cap is always short on supply, so usually factory will have two types of cap in inventory just in case on of the cap suppliers can't supply enough.

                  all the caps (regardless of the model PSU they're going into) need to be inspected. not just for higher end psu, that is the basic thing we have to do here.
                  Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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                  • larrymoencurly
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 960
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: If you had to choose between JEE and Canicon...

                    Thanks, Jonny. I wonder if Antec or Channel Well do similar testing because I had trouble locating replacements for the skinny 4700uF caps found in 300-350W SmartPowers.

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