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  • tiresias
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Feb 2006
    • 489

    #21
    Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

    Somewhat belatedly, but as promised, pictures of the two-fanned cousin of the 0060, the Ablecom SP650-RP aka Supermicro PWS-0056.

    The attached photos are kindly provided by John Galvanized, and Minerva of Anandtech-Forums fame.


    As you can see, the 0060 and 0056 are almost identical, save for a few defining features:

    1. The 0060 bears a single, temperature controlled fan. The 0056, on the other hand, has two fans, and a larger fan-control PCB, supporting a buzzer and LED to warn of fan failure, and a fantastically inviting BIG RED BUTTON on the back, as you can see below:



    Larger, more feature-ful fan control board. Output caps are the same.



    2. Specifications and power circuitry for the two psus are, as far as I can see, the same. The hardly-significant 5W rating difference is, I suspect, done by Supermicro to allow for customers to more easily distinguish the two models. Both units are built around the LITEON PS-5651-1 server PSU.



    Same heatsinks and input caps too:





    Sunon fan on the intake (shown), Nidec on exhaust (in first picture).

    Attached Files

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    • yanz
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      • Nov 2004
      • 910

      #22
      Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

      beautiful. i want one..
      days are so short when you actually do something..

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      • gonzo0815
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        • Feb 2006
        • 1600

        #23
        Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

        This PSu looks very decent, but how about those Taicon caps? aren't those very ugly bad caps at all?
        IMHO i wouldn`t rate them any higher (from wat i know, not from personal experinece) then Ost or Teapo, probably worser then those. Or i am wrong on that? On the other hand, assuming that those psu`s are sever grade, probably they can't be that bad.....

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        • tiresias
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Feb 2006
          • 489

          #24
          Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

          Hi Gonzo,

          That's a very good question, and brings up an issue that many who visit this site will be wondering about.

          I must confess that my personal experience with Taicon caps is limited to this particular PSU, so any comments I make regarding this issue aren't much more than a combination of observation, "educated guesses" and gut feeling.

          In favour of Taicon we have:

          + It's the Taiwanese daughter company of Nichicon Japan - and Nichicon caps are generally considered to be of "good" quality.
          + Reported failures have been relatively rare, and mostly (but not always) confined to Asrock boards. I know of no reports of bulging or failed Taicons on the Intel SAI2 or these Liteon PSUs.
          + Those Taicons that did fail may merely be differently-sleeved analogs of Nichicon HM and HN, which have also known several bad batches.

          Against Taicon we have:

          - Taicon caps aren't frequently found on motherboards and PSUs, thus the fact that only few failures are reported may be a consequence of this, rather than any degree of good reliability.
          - There is no evidence to show that Taicon caps are truly little more than Nichicons produced elsewhere. There is the possibility that there really is a difference in quality between the two. Perhaps a detailed cap-dissection could help to confirm or dispel this.


          Originally posted by gonzo0815
          This PSu looks very decent, but how about those Taicon caps? aren't those very ugly bad caps at all?

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          • willawake
            Super Modulator
            • Nov 2003
            • 8457
            • Greece

            #25
            Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

            it is clear that Taicon is producing caps mostly in china Guangdong (130m pc/month) Shuzhou (55m pcs/month) but also in Taiwan (10m pcs/month). The taiwan plant may only be producing v-chip caps.

            curiously their site says under the heading "development"

            Follow Nichicon's new products within one year

            Nichicon / Taicon Equivalent
            PW / PW (PZ)
            HD / HD (HF)
            AQ / AQ (AR)
            HM / HI
            HN / HL
            HE / HW
            i still have non-bulging taicon's on an asus p4-533 board in operation for some years 24/7
            capacitor lab yachtmati techmati

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            • Galvanized
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              • Mar 2006
              • 468

              #26
              Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

              I post this knowing that Minerva won't find it off-putting.

              Her family own/runs the server farm on one of the major barrier islands off the Carolinas. Thier servers and UPS's support the emergency services on the island and are to be considered mission critical (hurricanes ).

              After five+years several of the 0060s were replaced with 0056s. She stated that there has never been an issue with any of the SuperMicro/AbleCom SMPSs. They were replaced as preventative maintenance.
              She went on to stated that over many years using Lito-On built units that no problem has ever raised it's head based on poor PSU performance. She is the family tech that does all the work on this farm.

              After her brother(young & foolish ) blew up a cheap 350W in his gaming rig, she installed an old 0060 to keep him playing.

              She's good ppl and I wish she would register here. You hear me Minerva?

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              • willawake
                Super Modulator
                • Nov 2003
                • 8457
                • Greece

                #27
                Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                i briefly compared the spec sheets for Nichicon HN and Taicon HL

                looks to be the same
                capacitor lab yachtmati techmati

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                • Super Nade
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                  • Jun 2006
                  • 294

                  #28
                  Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                  Guys, where can I get a datasheet for the 0056? As you know (from me posting the same thing in 200 threads..lol), my unit should be here pretty soon (next week latest), so I'd like to get a head's up on what Supermicro claim in their official spec sheets.

                  Tried searching online, but I couldn't find anything.
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                  • tiresias
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 489

                    #29
                    Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                    Originally posted by Super Nade
                    Guys, where can I get a datasheet for the 0056? As you know (from me posting the same thing in 200 threads..lol), my unit should be here pretty soon (next week latest), so I'd like to get a head's up on what Supermicro claim in their official spec sheets.

                    Tried searching online, but I couldn't find anything.
                    Well, Supermicro's site doesn't really display much more than what's already on the PSU's label (the basic specs), so that not much use as far as detailed specs are concerned.

                    The obvious source of information would be LiteON, I guess, since they manufacture this PSU for Supermicro (and Dell too, which uses a slightly modified version with 3.3vsb in some of their servers). The model number for the 0056 is:

                    LiteON PS-5651-1A

                    (notice the missing final "1" compared to the single-fan-equipped 0060).

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                    • Howard
                      Member
                      • May 2006
                      • 10

                      #30
                      Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                      Any idea if the PWS-0060 will work in a Lian-Li PC-V1200 with a Supermicro X7DAE?

                      http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...000X/X7DAE.cfm
                      http://www.systemcooling.com/images/...0/20010_lg.jpg

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                      • tiresias
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 489

                        #31
                        Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                        Originally posted by Howard
                        Any idea if the PWS-0060 will work in a Lian-Li PC-V1200 with a Supermicro X7DAE?
                        That is one tremendous motherboard! A very good choice for a very stable, really high-end machine if I may say so...

                        ...with which the PWS-0060 should work perfectly. If you look at Supermicro's site (on the page you linked, in fact), you'll see that a number of recommended chassis for this board have model numbers ending in -645; these all use the 0060 as PSU.

                        The V1200 shouldn't pose a problem either. Although it's unconventionally laid out, both PSU and MB are "upside down", so the distance between the PSU and the board's 3 power sockets shouldn't be any greater than in a "normal" configuration case.

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                        • Super Nade
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                          • Jun 2006
                          • 294

                          #32
                          Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                          JonnyGURU Test Results are up:-
                          http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=464566

                          Q6700 @ 3.6 GHz
                          Zippy GSM-6600P
                          Curcial Ballistix PC6400 (4 x 1Gb) Micron D9GMH
                          Abit IP35Pro
                          ATi HD4870

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                          • tiresias
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                            • Feb 2006
                            • 489

                            #33
                            Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                            Thanks for the test Jonnyguru and Supernade!

                            I can now rest assured that these solid beasts of PSUs really *are* capable of putting out their rated power. Time to see if I can sneak another such 0060 or 0056 past the "approval board".

                            I wonder if I could ever justify a redundant Supermicro 0035 model? Hmm...

                            So the downsides as far as I can see:

                            Efficiency isn't terrible, but isn't glorious either, being 76-77% at high loads.

                            Heavy crossloading with high 12V draw results in the 12Vdc line dropping to 11.6 or so. Still in spec, but well... could be better.

                            ...

                            PS. Would it be possible to do a quick test with 12V draw at its rated max. of 46A?

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                            • jonnyGURU
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                              • Feb 2006
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                              #34
                              Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                              I didn't even think the crossload was that bad. Those were Super-Nade's words.

                              I have plenty of PSU's that drop completely out of the 5% spec (11.4V or lower) when crossloaded.
                              Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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                              • jonnyGURU
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                                • Feb 2006
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                                #35
                                Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                                For anyone that thinks 100mV ripple is bad, check this out:

                                http://jonnyguru.com/PSU/HP-550/HP-550.wmv

                                Voltages SHOULD NOT bounce that much under a STATIC LOAD!!!!!
                                Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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                                • tiresias
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Feb 2006
                                  • 489

                                  #36
                                  Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                                  Originally posted by jonnyGURU
                                  For anyone that thinks 100mV ripple is bad, check this out:

                                  http://jonnyguru.com/PSU/HP-550/HP-550.wmv

                                  Voltages SHOULD NOT bounce that much under a STATIC LOAD!!!!!
                                  Is that from a "Mushkin" (whoever actually makes it for them) HP-550 unit?

                                  I was unable to find it on your great site.

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                                  • jonnyGURU
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                                    • Feb 2006
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                                    #37
                                    Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                                    Originally posted by tiresias
                                    Is that from a "Mushkin" (whoever actually makes it for them) HP-550 unit?

                                    I was unable to find it on your great site.
                                    Yeah. Topower P5 based.

                                    Even the -12V is getting into the act and it only has a .5A load on it.

                                    Look at how stable the +5VSB is! That's a 2A load on it.

                                    Amazing.

                                    What's funny is the O-scope doesn't show the rapid .02ms ripple that the OCZ shows. The changes in voltages are so slow (which is why they show up on the LED's on the load tester) that they look like waves on the O-scope:



                                    The 3.3V on this thing is really stable, though. I had to crank the scope up from .05 to .01 just to see the ripple. Looks like a 20mV ripple on the 3.3V even during test 5!



                                    The review's not done. I've got to many going on at the same time and I screwed myself. Instead of getting one out a week, I'm going to end up with five in one week.
                                    Last edited by jonnyGURU; 07-27-2006, 08:44 AM.
                                    Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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                                    • Galvanized
                                      Badcaps Veteran
                                      • Mar 2006
                                      • 468

                                      #38
                                      Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                                      tiresias, OCZ moved from Topwer to FSP Group(Epsilon)...Mushkin slid into OCZ's spot at Topower.

                                      BFG and Corsair have units out too.

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                                      • Super Nade
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                                        • Jun 2006
                                        • 294

                                        #39
                                        Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                                        Jonny, an analog scope is the best way to look for sharp spikes (which I'm pretty sure there are). Amazingly a cheapo Radioshack Interference Filter completely nulled out spikes with the Raidmax I was talking about. It still had a horrible wave train, sometimes going as high as 330mV (if I remember correctly). Must have been the ONLY decent RS product I have ever purchased.
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                                        • jonnyGURU
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                                          • Feb 2006
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                                          #40
                                          Re: Supermicro-Ablecom PSUs

                                          Well, I can certainly slow the sample rate way down. Which I'll probably do just for the hell of it. See what it looks like.
                                          Rest in peace BFG. You were... a job...

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