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  • shovenose
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    • Aug 2010
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    #1

    Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

    Whats the difference? (besides looking different?)
  • Th3_uN1Qu3
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    • Jul 2010
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    #2
    Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

    The 4-diode treatment as it is known is generally used because 4 discrete diodes are cheaper. However this almost always indicates a very low quality supply, because they use low current diodes. (4A if you're lucky, most use 2-3A diodes, or even a mixture of the two!).

    If you're running 220v mains this isn't a problem (220x2 = 440W, with 75% efficiency you get 330W, more than a low-end power supply can deliver anyway), however in the US you have 110v mains, and 2 amp diodes would be limiting your supply to a silly output power of 165 watts. If you have 5-amp diodes on hand for example, there is nothing wrong in keeping the 4-diode configuration and simply replacing the 2-amp ones with 5-amp ones. Some power supplies don't even have room for a bridge rectifier so this can be the only solution.
    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
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    • shovenose
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      #3
      Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

      I live in the us. 120v. So that basically means that like 5 of my psus are <200w? Can i put in abridge recitifer?

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      • goodpsusearch
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        • Oct 2009
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        #4
        Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

        Some psu manufacturers place the 4 diodes vertically so they get some cooling from the fan:








        Placing them in parallel with pcb is completely stupid...





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        • PCBONEZ
          Grumpy Old Fart
          • Aug 2005
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          #5
          Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

          As Th3_uN1Qu3 said, generally the cheaper PSU's use diodes.
          That isn't an absolute indicator of quality though. - Just the usual case.

          It doesn't really matter if they use a rectifier IC or diodes.
          It's a rectifier either way.
          All that matters is how much current it can handle.

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          • shovenose
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            #6
            Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

            Howdo i tell The diode current rating?

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            • etnietering
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              • Apr 2009
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              #7
              Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

              Usually you can estimate based on the size (i.e. small = low current, big = high current). You can also look at the numbers on them (which may require unsoldering them from the board) and try to find a datasheet.

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              • shovenose
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                #8
                Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

                Whqt do i compare them to sizewise?

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                • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                  #9
                  Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

                  Best is just to look up the models printed on them and read the datasheet... But judging by package size, the small ones like in the last 2 pics don't take more than 2A, the larger ones (first two pics) are 3 to 5A.
                  Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                  Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
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                  • goodpsusearch
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                    • Oct 2009
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                    #10
                    Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

                    The diodes of the first pic are 1N5406 3A.

                    Note also that the first 2 psus have somehow decent transient filter, while the other 2 with the tiny diodes lack most of the components.

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                    • MXM
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                      • Feb 2010
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                      #11
                      Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

                      i believe that theres got to be a significant difference, but if you ask me, theres none, just design, space, cost, quality, power use and relief, i dont know (probably those are significant when u produce the units by thousands)... i mean, u can check functionality same way in both so i guess down to operation is the same.

                      but this is just me............ and guessing

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                      • PCBONEZ
                        Grumpy Old Fart
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10661
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                        #12
                        Re: Bridge rectifier vs four diodes

                        My guess is that it's cheaper to -buy- diodes but it's cheaper and faster to -install- the IC Rectifiers.
                        Some poor little Asian girl had to fiddle around bending leads on the diodes.
                        - Cheaper to buy but more work to put in.
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