Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

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  • linuxguru
    Badcaps Legend
    • Apr 2005
    • 1564

    #1

    Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

    Just took apart a generic 350W ATX SMPS, with no label except a bar code with the text 'Made in Thailand' and some test/inspection stamps. It could be an OEM SMPS for Dell, HP, Acer, ...

    It's well made, with decent-sized capacitors on both the primary and secondary side, and no inductors or capacitors have been omitted. The auxiliary power supply is a small 50Hz iron-core power transformer and bridge - that's more durable than the small flybacks that are more commonly seen. The unit is fairly heavy in comparison to the lightweight units with fake ratings.

    However, the electrolytics are mostly Arcon capacitors, and most on the secondary side have bulged and leaked - 4700uF,10v & 3300uF,10v on the +5v rail (replaced with 2 x Nichicon PW(M) 3300uF,10v); 2 x 2200uF,10v on the +3.3v rail (replaced with Rubycon YXG 5600uF,6.3v and 1500uF, 6.3v); a 2200uF,10v on -5v rail and a 1000uF,10v on the primary side (both replaced). +12v and -12v rails look OK, with no bulging caps - all small caps and 16v and higher-rated caps look fine.

    Everything works fine now, but I'll keep an eye on the remaining caps to see what happens. One of the ironies of the electrolyte failure on the Taiwanese caps is that it's retarded by a high bias voltage - not many failures have been reported for caps handling 12v or higher. Almost all the failures have been for caps biased at Vcore (~1.5v to 2v).
  • willawake
    Super Modulator
    • Nov 2003
    • 8457
    • Greece

    #2
    Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

    it's retarded by a high bias voltage
    pls expand
    capacitor lab yachtmati techmati

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    • linuxguru
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2005
      • 1564

      #3
      Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

      From the paper referenced earlier on this forum, p.124:



      "It is important to note that the capacitors under investigation had been tested by manufacturer to the specified lifetime at maximum rated voltage at the maximum rated temperature. All electrical parameters were found to be within specification at the completion of this industry standard test. The reason for this experience is that the high voltage required for this test most likely sufficiently retarded dielectric dissolution until a time beyond the rated lifetime of these capacitors."

      Funny, isn't it? Those defective caps would have lasted longer at 6.3v or 10v than at Vcore.

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      • PeteS in CA
        Badcaps Legend
        • Aug 2005
        • 3579
        • USA, Unsure of Planet

        #4
        Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

        The high (though "in" spec) ripple current, which is AC, creates a reverse voltage at the cathode foil. This "forms" it, which generates heat and hydrogen gas. We know the outcome.
        PeteS in CA

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        • linuxguru
          Badcaps Legend
          • Apr 2005
          • 1564

          #5
          Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

          FWIW, the only part name sticker on the PSU says 'DLP2507F3CP REV:H04'. No company name inside on the PCB. Controller IC is HP1001WA-1. The unit is well-made (other than the capacitors),and includes a temperature sensor (thermistor) mounted on the secondary-side (Schottky Rectifier) heat sink - I haven't ever seen that kind of protection before. Date of manufacture: April 2003.

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          • linuxguru
            Badcaps Legend
            • Apr 2005
            • 1564

            #6
            Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

            Correction - a Google search revealed this to be a 250W (not 350W) power supply used by both Dell and HP, among others. OEM is probably Bestec.

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            • Rainbow
              Badcaps Legend
              • Aug 2005
              • 1371

              #7
              Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

              Any photos?
              Thermistor is usually used for fan control.

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              • linuxguru
                Badcaps Legend
                • Apr 2005
                • 1564

                #8
                Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                OK, here are a couple of photos of the unit with the bad caps - one showing the primary side, including the aux transformer, and the other showing the secondary side including the caps and thermistor on the heat sink. Sorry about the poor focus - I haven't figured out the macro mode on the digicam yet.
                Attached Files

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                • Chris1992
                  Badcaps Veteran
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 561

                  #9
                  Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                  For macro mode, you want to have the camera back about 40cm or so and use optical zoom.
                  The great capacitor showdown!

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                  • japlytic
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 2086
                    • Australia

                    #10
                    Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                    I may have seen an "Arcon" capacitor, so a picture of it would be appreciated, with any details of other markings on it.
                    My first choice in quality Japanese electrolytics is Nippon Chemi-Con, which has been in business since 1931... the quality of electronics is dependent on the quality of the electrolytics.

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                    • wellerp
                      New Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 1

                      #11
                      Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                      Would anyone know where a schematic of the DLP2507F3CP power supply could be accuired?

                      P.Weller at wellerp@mccfl.edu

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                      • starfury1
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • May 2006
                        • 1256

                        #12
                        Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                        think that link is not working, anyway found this one hope its right



                        BTW anyone got a link to a PDF on that controller chip?
                        You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you may be swept off to." Bilbo Baggins ...

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                        • linuxguru
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 1564

                          #13
                          Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                          Nope, it's a proprietary Hipro controller - I had misidentified the OEM as Bestec earlier in the thread; it's actually Hipro. Luckily, the controller seems to fail very rarely, if at all.

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                          • starfury1
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • May 2006
                            • 1256

                            #14
                            Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                            Nope, it's a proprietary Hipro controller
                            Thanks, had a feeling it was going to be something like that.
                            You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you may be swept off to." Bilbo Baggins ...

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                            • kc8adu
                              Super Moderator
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 8832
                              • U.S.A!

                              #15
                              Re: Generic OEM 350W ATX SMPS - Arcon caps

                              arcon and closely related asiacon caps are known crapcaps.
                              your psu is a hipro and worth recapping.

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