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    I have an AOpen 550W (labeled as such) running a XBMC box (Palomino 1.66, HD2400 AGP, 2 old drives, CD). Two days ago I started smelling what seemed like burning plastic - not overwhelming (less than when I've touched wire insulation with my soldering iron).

    OPened it up and the big secondary coil is absolutely black. When powered on there is a LOT of heat emanating from that location.

    Background: This PSU was in service for ~3 years in a P3 before I removed the machine from service. Before reusing it, I completely recapped it with Samxon (from Topcat)/Panasonic FM/Nichicon PW (all caps on board but retaining original values). Used Thermal epoxy to 'expand' current heat sinks (cutting a mac g3 cpu heatsink in half and applying to both primary & secondary sinks). 120mm fan is good. Bridge rectifier replaced 4 diodes. Before this incident, ran fine for 6-9 months.

    Not attached to this thing but my concern is that it's a high draw 5V CPU and going out and buying a new P/S is going to be built to accommodate the 12V line. I replaced with a Seasonic 300W unit and a no-name rebuild but something was incompatible in that both of these caused the MS-6380 motherboard to lose the ability to set the FSB to 133 (there's a screen in the BIOS for this and the latter 2 PSUs would hard lock when entering this screen). Thus my use of this particular PSU and it's importance to me.

    Also, since it's in my bedroom, a massively loud replacement is undesirable - not looking for a silent P/S (though that would be nice) but a wind tunnel is unacceptable.

    Any suggestions appreciated.
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    Last edited by relkin67; 08-29-2010, 08:09 AM.

    #2
    Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

    What is model number written on power supply case? AOpen is probably not the OEM.
    Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)

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      #3
      Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

      Originally posted by everell View Post
      What is model number written on power supply case? AOpen is probably not the OEM.
      No model number (consider the brand...) All it states is APower Ultra Edition 550W 12V ATX Intel P4 P/S. I think it was sourced form geeks.com.

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        #4
        Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

        Going from similar cases, I would venture to say that the pi filter caps on either side of the toroid are failing/have failed.
        veritas odium parit

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          #5
          Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

          Originally posted by relkin67 View Post
          No model number (consider the brand...)
          Well AOpen is not so bad as you may think, I have the most solid PC case I've ever seen right here and somebody told me it could be made by AOpen. They also used rebranded Fortron PSU's in their cases at the times there was hardly somerthing better on the market.

          No manufacturer mark directly on the PCB?
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            #6
            Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

            Originally posted by Behemot View Post
            Well AOpen is not so bad as you may think, I have the most solid PC case I've ever seen right here and somebody told me it could be made by AOpen. They also used rebranded Fortron PSU's in their cases at the times there was hardly somerthing better on the market.

            No manufacturer mark directly on the PCB?
            My bias I admit.

            Looking at the board:

            LP-8860 REV:0402
            LP/ATX8860/0402
            2004-11-10

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              #7
              Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

              Looks like Leadmen. Never encountered this brand, but acording to this it looks like another Deer
              Hell no. No no no. NO. No.

              Leadman alert. Worst power supply manufacturer on the planet. Don't touch it with ten foot pole, unless there's a grenade on the end.

              It's an awful 250W, I forget the model #, but it's Leadman's most popular platform, which can't do more than 275W period. It's garbage. Kill it with fire.
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                #8
                Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                Originally posted by Behemot View Post
                Well AOpen is not so bad as you may think, I have the most solid PC case I've ever seen right here and somebody told me it could be made by AOpen. They also used rebranded Fortron PSU's in their cases at the times there was hardly somerthing better on the market.

                No manufacturer mark directly on the PCB?
                He said A-Power not AOpen.

                A-Power PSUs have no certifications from ANYONE.
                They are classic gutless wonders.
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                  #9
                  Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                  Originally posted by PCBONEZ View Post
                  He said A-Power not AOpen.

                  A-Power PSUs have no certifications from ANYONE.
                  They are classic gutless wonders.
                  I see, but he said AOpen two times before

                  As for replacement, I won't be afraid to use some of the old Fortrons with 80mm fans, after some mods (cutting of fan grill etc.) it's enough silent. If you're even more silent hungry, use some of the first ones with 12cm fans, they're based on the same platform, not as efective as today PSU's but they're inteded for this old 5V rail sucking systems having around 28 A on it. Just recap it, maybe change the fan for more silent one and be happy

                  Most of nowadays PSU's don't have as strong 5V rail as these old units, usually only some the very powerfull models have around 30 A now. Old GLN, THN and other Fortrons were pretty decent, but if you don't like the brand, definitelly look for older PSU's than lets say 2004 or so, as I said, newer ones don't have as powerfull 5V rail.

                  I'd recommend recapping the caps in VRM on motherboard since there is usually the problem with more demanding CPUs. Quite common for bad caps, they cannot handle more powerfull CPUs than and usually don't even start.

                  ADD// this one will suite you just fine (after recap of course): https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3167
                  Last edited by Behemot; 08-29-2010, 02:01 PM.
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                    #10
                    Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                    Thats the most well built lp-8860 I have ever seen. Already has a bridge rectifier and look at the those supplementary heatsinks.

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                      #11
                      Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                      Originally posted by Behemot View Post
                      I see, but he said AOpen two times before
                      I see that now. - I didn't read that far back when I read the new posts.

                      But it's an A-power:
                      >> APower Ultra Edition 550W .... sourced form geeks.com <<
                      http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?inv...AP550U&cat=PWR
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                      -
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                        #12
                        Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                        Just re-cap it and see. I can't see replacing ALL the caps in there costing any more than $20 INCLUDING shipping.
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                          #13
                          Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                          $19.99 for a 550 watt "reliable" power supply???

                          Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)

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                            #14
                            Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                            No, actually $17.00 TYVM...

                            http://hypermicro.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=PSAB001

                            ...and still running the folding machine 24/7 for over a year now.
                            veritas odium parit

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                              #15
                              Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                              Originally posted by relkin67 View Post
                              LP-8860 REV:0402
                              LP/ATX8860/0402
                              2004-11-10
                              Yep, that's a Leadman/PowMax indeed - one of their crappiest models too (not that they have any good models really). I applaud you for the effort you put into improving this power supply, though.
                              Unfortunately, this PSU is still very crappy and is not worth fixing. You're better off getting a new one instead, and using this one for whatever electronic parts you may find useful.
                              If you want something cheap but reliable, look for an older used Dell, HP, or Compaq OEM PSU on Craigslist or elsewhere online. The Thermaltake TR2 430W (XP550-NP) is also an option. It has a decent 5v rail and good heatsinks. Older model FSP PSUs are also suitable.

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                                #16
                                Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                                I would have to say their worst is the LP9900. Self implodes at 184W on the JG bargain psu roundup. The LP8860 in that one actually held up until 284W. Really not that bad considering the size of the transformer they use in that thing.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                                  Originally posted by everell View Post
                                  $19.99 for a 550 watt "reliable" power supply???

                                  Not on this planet.
                                  Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                  - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                  -
                                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                                  - Dr Seuss
                                  -
                                  You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                  -

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                                    #18
                                    Re: A-POWER burning coil (secondary)

                                    Thanks everyone for their input. And sorry about the AOpen confusion - I had another machine with an AOpen board on the workbench and confused the names.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                                      So, what is the final outcome? Repair or replace?

                                      veritas odium parit

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                                        #20
                                        Re: AOpen burning coil (secondary)

                                        Originally posted by Toasty View Post
                                        So, what is the final outcome? Repair or replace?

                                        Gotta pull the board out of the case and see what replacement PWs are gonna run from Digi-Key.

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