THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

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  • Stunt
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2019
    • 180
    • South Africa

    #1

    THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

    Hi i've THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 with no power when i diagnosed it i'm only getting 20v on the main power nothing else on U41 chip that generate 5v and 3v i only get 20v on VIN pin and 0v on EN, EN1 and EN2 pins when i check the schematic EN, EN1 and EN2 signals comes from SIO chip and there's no 3,3v around SIO chip there's only 20v on pin 65 that's. Is the SIO chip dead? please help
  • Udemzy
    Senior Member
    • May 2017
    • 155
    • Guatemala

    #2
    Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

    What do you have on pin 22,29,2?

    You need the ic to generate vreg3 and vreg5 before talking about en1 and en2

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    • Stunt
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2019
      • 180
      • South Africa

      #3
      Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

      Hi on U41 Chip on Pin 2 = 0v. Pin 22 = 3.3v. Pin 29 = 0v

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      • Stunt
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2019
        • 180
        • South Africa

        #4
        Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

        Originally posted by Udemzy
        What do you have on pin 22,29,2?

        You need the ic to generate vreg3 and vreg5 before talking about en1 and en2
        Hi on U41 Chip on Pin 2 = 0v. Pin 22 = 3.3v. Pin 29 = 0v

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        • Techtiger
          Badcaps Legend
          • Oct 2014
          • 1601
          • france

          #5
          Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

          Originally posted by Stunt
          Hi i've THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 with no power when i diagnosed it i'm only getting 20v on the main power nothing else on U41 chip that generate 5v and 3v i only get 20v on VIN pin and 0v on EN, EN1 and EN2 pins when i check the schematic EN, EN1 and EN2 signals comes from SIO chip and there's no 3,3v around SIO chip there's only 20v on pin 65 that's. Is the SIO chip dead? please help
          What is the impedance on L4 /L3 coil ? Is the U41 getting hot when you touch ? Note down voltage on all pins of tps51220
          Last edited by Techtiger; 03-16-2022, 04:27 AM.

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          • Stunt
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2019
            • 180
            • South Africa

            #6
            Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

            Originally posted by techtiger
            What is the impedance on L4 /L3 coil ? Is the U41 getting hot when you touch ? Note down voltage on all pins of tps51220
            The impedance on L4 = 3.1 k ohms on L3 its not stable it keeps on jumping between Mili ohms and K ohms. The U41 is not getting hot. The Voltages on tps51220 pins there are all 0v except pin 22 which is 3.3v and pin 23 which is 20v

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            • mon2
              Badcaps Legend
              • Dec 2019
              • 14002
              • Canada

              #7
              Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

              Remove all power. Meter in resistance mode (2k scale).

              Measure the resistance to ground of VREG5 (pin 29) of U41.

              Post the readings.

              VREG5 will only enable if EN (U41, pin 12) is a logic HIGH.

              EN (pin 12) of U41 receives this signal from the TQFP128 (Toshiba) part TB62D516FG (TQFP128 14X14) @ U101 (pin 96) = KBC ??
              Attached Files

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              • Stunt
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2019
                • 180
                • South Africa

                #8
                Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

                Originally posted by mon2
                Remove all power. Meter in resistance mode (2k scale).

                Measure the resistance to ground of VREG5 (pin 29) of U41.

                Post the readings.

                VREG5 will only enable if EN (U41, pin 12) is a logic HIGH.

                EN (pin 12) of U41 receives this signal from the TQFP128 (Toshiba) part TB62D516FG (TQFP128 14X14) @ U101 (pin 96) = KBC ??
                VREG5 Pin 29 = 0.451 resistance to ground

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                • mon2
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Dec 2019
                  • 14002
                  • Canada

                  #9
                  Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

                  VREG5 Pin 29 = 0.451 resistance to ground
                  This should not be the diode mode setting. Suggest the 2k ohm scale (or closest on your meter).

                  Can you confirm the resistance scale used for this measurement ?

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                  • Stunt
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2019
                    • 180
                    • South Africa

                    #10
                    Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

                    Originally posted by mon2
                    This should not be the diode mode setting. Suggest the 2k ohm scale (or closest on your meter).

                    Can you confirm the resistance scale used for this measurement ?
                    OK the resistance starts from 567.8 k omhs and keeps on droping rapidly until it reaches 457.6 k ohms that's when it becomes steady i don't understand it

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                    • mon2
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Dec 2019
                      • 14002
                      • Canada

                      #11
                      Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

                      The rather high resistance is ok and confirms there is no excessive load (ie. short circuit or a bad cap) on this rail. So this rail has no reason to turn OFF.

                      Now for this rail to enable, the EN pin of U41 needs to be a logic high as per the shared datasheet for this component.

                      This logic level for the EN pin comes upstream from the Toshiba component (pin 96).

                      Is the Toshiba component warm / hot to the touch ? Review if the power rails are present on this component.

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                      • Stunt
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2019
                        • 180
                        • South Africa

                        #12
                        Re: THINKPAD T450S - NM-A301 no power

                        Originally posted by mon2
                        The rather high resistance is ok and confirms there is no excessive load (ie. short circuit or a bad cap) on this rail. So this rail has no reason to turn OFF.

                        Now for this rail to enable, the EN pin of U41 needs to be a logic high as per the shared datasheet for this component.

                        This logic level for the EN pin comes upstream from the Toshiba component (pin 96).

                        Is the Toshiba component warm / hot to the touch ? Review if the power rails are present on this component.
                        On pin 96 = 0v and resistance is 32k ohms. I get 20v on pins 99 and 65 only the rest of the pin are 0v. The toshiba component is not getting hot and there are no burnt signs on the chip

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