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  • leonemax81
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 57
    • italia

    #1

    Macbook a1707 820-00281 Battery no Power

    Hi guys I have a Macbook a1707 with motherboard 820-00281, without liquid damage that behaves strangely, with the battery connected the Macbook does not turn on and the USBC meter stops at 5v in loop, when I disconnect the battery the Macbook turns on and works fine, I have already tried to replace the battery twice without success, as soon as I connect the black cable of the battery the Macbook does not turn on, it stops at 5v and in loop.
  • leonemax81
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    • Nov 2015
    • 57
    • italia

    #2
    Parts already replaced without success: Battery. U7800. Q7030. Q7040. Q7065. D6950. D6902. U7000.

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    • mon2
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      • Dec 2019
      • 15626
      • Canada

      #3
      Connect the battery and the USB Type C adapter.

      Measure the voltage to ground of:

      SMBUS_SMC_5_G3_SCL
      SMBUS_SMC_5_G3_SDA


      at battery connector J6951.

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      • leonemax81
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        • Nov 2015
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        #4
        yes already done, I have no shorts and the voltage goes up to 2.95V and goes in loop, without battery connected I have stable voltage 3.34, I suspect it is the SMC chip.​

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        • mon2
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          • Dec 2019
          • 15626
          • Canada

          #5
          Remove all power. Meter in lowest resistance scale.

          Measure the resisance across C7020. We are interested in the full resistance path of the battery leg current sense circuit. What is the resistance in ohms?

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          • leonemax81
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            • Nov 2015
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            • italia

            #6
            C7020, with black lead to GND and red lead to PIN 1 and then PIN 2, resistance 470 KOHM, while if I put black lead to PIN 2 and red lead to PIN 1, I measure 3.7 OHM, which compared to other working motherboards is too low.​

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            • mon2
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              • Dec 2019
              • 15626
              • Canada

              #7
              Short your meter probes by touching them together. What is the resistance? That is your 0 ohm baseline measurement.

              Then when you measure the resistance across pins 1 & 2 of C7020 - the true resistance is the value on the meter - baseline value. There are 3 resistors in the measured path @ R7061, R7060, R7062. We know from the schematics that R7061 = R7062 = 1 ohms each. So your measurement should be ~2 ohms since R7060 = 5 milliohms = 5/1000 ohms.

              If you have a working motherboard of the same, measure at the same points of interest. Compare the measurements.

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              • leonemax81
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                • Nov 2015
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                #8
                if I put the tip and the tip has a tolerance of 0.03 ohm, R7061 = R7062 = they are 1 ohm, I don't have an identical motherboard, I take reference from a motherboard of a macbook pro 13.​

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                • mon2
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                  • Dec 2019
                  • 15626
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                  #9
                  measure the resistance across pins 1 & 2 of C7020 - this should be very close to 2 ohms (not 3R7). Can you confirm this measurement again?

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                  • leonemax81
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                    • Nov 2015
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                    #10
                    measures 3.7 ohm

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                    • leonemax81
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                      #11
                      I also replaced the R7060 resistor without success.

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                      • leonemax81
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                        • Nov 2015
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                        #12
                        also replaced the resistors R7061 = R7062 and also u7000 once again, without success.

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                        • mon2
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                          • Dec 2019
                          • 15626
                          • Canada

                          #13
                          Remove the battery mosfet off the board and test again with the power adapter and battery attached. Does the power cycling stop and the board boots?

                          Are the batteries the same as the original and recommended for use in this machine?

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                          • leonemax81
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                            • Nov 2015
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                            #14
                            which mosfet should i remove?, the batteries are working on other mocbooks, i noticed that with the battery connected i have no voltage on PPBUS.

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                            • leonemax81
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                              • Nov 2015
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                              #15
                              I remove the q7065 mosfet, same defect, 5v in loop on USBC.

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                              • mon2
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                                • Dec 2019
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                                #16
                                Flux and remove carefully the dual diode @ D6950. Test again.

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                                • leonemax81
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                                  • Nov 2015
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                                  #17
                                  removed D6950, nothing usual defect, I'm going crazy!

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                                  • mon2
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                                    • Dec 2019
                                    • 15626
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                                    #18
                                    Remove all power. Meter in diode mode. Black (yes black) meter probe on PPVBAT_G3H_CONN (because this line is also mating with the ISL9239). Red meter probe to ground. What is the measurement?

                                    How confident do you feel about the soldering of U7000? Perhaps consider to flux it and reflow this part to be sure there are no underside shorts.

                                    The fact that you lose PPBUS_G3H means there is a conflict raised when the battery is connected. SMBUS lines are a common factor and you could be shunting those lines. Maybe both batteries have a defective BMS board but you have mentioned they work in other macbooks? Which battery pack are you testing? What is the part #? 100% confirmed to be compatible with this macbook?

                                    An I2C / SMBUS analyzer would help to reveal the traffic on the SMBUS SDA/SCL lines.

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                                    • leonemax81
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                                      • Nov 2015
                                      • 57
                                      • italia

                                      #19
                                      PPVBAT_G3H_CONN diode mode measures 0.623V, I have already tested two batteries that work on other macbooks, U7000 replaced twice without success, I have an oscilloscope can it help?

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                                      • leonemax81
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                                        • Nov 2015
                                        • 57
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                                        #20
                                        I don't think the PPVBAT_G3H_CONN line is the culprit, because even if I don't put the battery screw but just connect the black battery cable to the J6951 connector without inserting the screw the MacBook doesn't turn on.

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