MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

**Sigmund** · 10-11-2009, 09:57 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Hello Curt
I am having a problem with the Same boards and my best suggestion is to replace the Chemicons just to be safe mine has KZGs as well which is seemingly a a Plagued series of Caps.
The Quote below is by no means set in stone. Chemicon may make some quality Caps but I have seen far too many come acrossed my bench with Bad Chemicons Especally the KZG series.
"Currently the Chemicon KZG series is questionable.
(Nippon Chemicon, United Chemicon, same-same)
The KZG series is showing up failed with uncomfortable frequency. (Meaning often.) -
The interesting thing is there are usually no VISIBLE signs of a problem at all. (No swelling, no venting, no anything visible.) - Typically the motherboard works fine one day and then just refuses to boot the next day. Some people experience random shutdowns and BSOD for a while before it dies entirely."
Panasonic is my Personal Favorite every since I replaced some in a flat screen and got it working again.

**Toasty** · 10-11-2009, 11:59 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Welcome to the forums Curt_SJ.

>>requires 2 or more bootups<<
Does that mean it does, eventually?

>>unsoldered two capacitors<<
From what area?

Measuring VRM caps in circuit does not give true results. They're in parallel, so bad ones will not show up. Out of circuit is the only way that works.

>>does not recognize the Video card (PCI Express)<<
Are you getting any video at all? BIOS screen?

Try resetting the BIOS.

Is the Southbridge getting hot to the touch?

Would you post a top down shot of the board so we can guide you better?

Toast

**PCBONEZ** · 10-12-2009, 01:59 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Howdy!

Replace the KZG for preemptive even if not bad yet.

Check the MOSFETs.
There's a guide on how to somewhere in the threads here.

I have a MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-H) ver 2.0 here that's dead and I never attempted to repair because it looks like it went for a swim.

Looks to be the same only mine has no Firewire chip and only two SATA ports.
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**wfsdno** · 11-06-2009, 08:05 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Hello! New Member here.... stumbled onto your site searching for help with my motherboard. It is a:

MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-h) version 2.0

I have the same symptoms.... started fine, then one day, took 3 times to start up, second day.... nothing. Computer would turn on, drive light would bllink 4 times then nothing....

Sound like bad caps? I have very limited experience working on computers but okay at soldering.

Any suggestions? I can take a pic of board. I don't know which capacitors your talking about (location, color,etc ) but if someone would be willing to point and help, I'll try it.

Thanks from a newbie, Roger

**PCBONEZ** · 11-06-2009, 10:15 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Yes it sounds like it might be caps.
By what Sigmund said KZG are a problem on this board.
Just search the forum for KZG and you'll find photos of them.
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For other caps you'll have to tell us what they are.
Same make/model/revision motherboards can show up with different caps from board to board due to changes during production so you really can't go by what someone else has on their board. Have to look at the one in hand.
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**larrymoencurly** · 11-07-2009, 06:00 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

I'd check the capacitors in the areas circled in the attached photo because they also run hard. They're for the video slot, memory slots, and I think the north bridge. I've found several caps next to north bridge chips run hot because of heat conducted through the copper (brand new OSTs, brand new Sanyos), and I've seen three instances of bad caps around the memory slots. When it happened with my ECS Nforce6M-A, a cap popped and the mobo wouldn't run until it was replaced. With my friend's fancy ECS mobo the memory became flakey (MemTest86 errors), but each time a cap popped with my Asrock K7VT4A Pro the computer kept running. The Asrock had a lot more caps than the other mobos.

Attached Files

**wfsdno** · 11-07-2009, 01:00 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Okay, here is a photo of my board. Hopefully one of the links will work.

What Caps do you recommend and where can I buy those? Radio Shack or a website.

Any suggestions before I start. I've soldered many times before but never on a motherboard. I have a 20/40 watt Pencil style iron or the bigger gun style but has fat tip, so dont think that will work.

Thanks again, Roger

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**wfsdno** · 11-07-2009, 01:24 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Update....

With the mobo out, I can see the Caps you circled, most are KZG 6.3v 1000uf, they are all the brown ones. Others need replacing?

My board is the K8NGM2-H MSI-7207 VER:2.0 N1996

**PCBONEZ** · 11-07-2009, 03:54 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

I still can't tell what the others are.
Think maybe you could read the side of them?
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**wfsdno** · 11-07-2009, 05:44 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Okay,

The Yellow Cap shows no name other than a "line above an F and a line below" it's size is 6.3v 680uF there seems to be a part #? M 5D53u

The other one is a small brown one, a G-LUXON 6.3v 470uF with 624D(M).

That help?

Roger

**PCBONEZ** · 11-07-2009, 06:06 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

The 'bumble bees' [black/yellow] are Fujitsu Functional Polymer - Very good caps.

The G-Luxon are notorious junk. - Need to go.

What are the row of about 6 next to the CPU and the four 16v caps between there and the back I/O panel?

**wfsdno** · 11-07-2009, 09:22 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

They are all the same brand and have a funny "M" with a box around it.

THe 4 furthest away are .... part # 62IVRP 6.3 volt, 1500 uF.
The other 5 are ..... part# 65IIRP 6.3v 3300uF

Roger

**wfsdno** · 11-07-2009, 10:05 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Opps... Not sure which 4 your talking about. I found one 16v on the board that is a Rubycon, others are KZG and some small fat black ones with no name, a 10v KZG. Most on the board are KZG's

Roger

**PCBONEZ** · 11-08-2009, 12:45 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Check these.

Attached Files

**PCBONEZ** · 11-08-2009, 01:16 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

I forgot.
I have one of those in my round-to-it box.
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The 4 VRM-high I said should be 16v are, and they are 1500uF Panasonic FJ on mine.

There are 5 3300uF 6.3v in Vcore. They are KZG on mine.

That 6th cap I said in pic might be in Vcore -is- if it's there.
It is not present on my board but I did resistance checks to the solder pads and it's in parallel with the other Vcore caps.

>> funny "M" with a box around it >> Matsushita ,, aka Panasonic.
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**wfsdno** · 11-08-2009, 07:26 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Okay, after re-looking... those 4 you marked with a RED line, are 16v, Matsushita's
The 5 with BLUE lines are 6.3v and I dont have theone you marked with a GREEN line.

So, replace all KZG's and Matsushita's? Where do I buy these and what watt iron should I use. I've read somewhere 75 watt or higher.

Thanks!

**mockingbird** · 11-08-2009, 08:23 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Originally posted by wfsdno

They are all the same brand and have a funny "M" with a box around it.

THe 4 furthest away are .... part # 62IVRP 6.3 volt, 1500 uF.
The other 5 are ..... part# 65IIRP 6.3v 3300uF

Roger

I have some similar unmarked caps I am trying to ID.

10uF 250v and they are marked 81IIBA.

The two II's are connected Roman Numeral style, and the vent is t-shaped.

Are these Pannys any good?

**kc8adu** · 11-08-2009, 11:43 AM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

yes but not usefull in a mobo.unles you have one of the rare aopen tube boards.

**PCBONEZ** · 11-08-2009, 01:59 PM

Re: MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

Originally posted by wfsdno

Okay, after re-looking... those 4 you marked with a RED line, are 16v, Matsushita's
The 5 with BLUE lines are 6.3v and I dont have theone you marked with a GREEN line.

So, replace all KZG's and Matsushita's? Where do I buy these and what watt iron should I use. I've read somewhere 75 watt or higher.

Thanks!

Matsushita/Panasonic should be fine as is.

Looking at my board,
I'd replace all the KZG and the G-Luxon.
There is a spattering of G-Luxon 470uF 6.3v 6.3mm with vents on mine.
[Dunno if yours has them.]
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MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

MSI-7207 (K8NGM2-L) version 1.0

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