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  • littlski717
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    • Nov 2011
    • 28

    #21
    Re: Dell 1901fp

    What do you mean start-up caps? I'm assuming they are on the power board -- but which ones are they?

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    • PCBONEZ
      Grumpy Old Fart
      • Aug 2005
      • 10661
      • USA

      #22
      Re: Dell 1901fp

      I said caps because you have two screens.
      Should be one start cap per screen.
      .
      Yes, in the SMPS section.
      .
      [AFAIK]
      Start-up caps cause the switching transistors in a SMPS to start switching.
      Once they are switching the start cap doesn't do much.
      They are usually something like a 22uF to 47uF cap near the transistors.
      .
      The switching transistors are the two IC's with heatsinks [probably MOFETs] between the big cap and the transformers.
      The start cap is probably one of the three caps roughly between them.
      Can't be more specific without a schematic or tracing out the circuit.
      .
      Someone who has seen more screens than I should take over from here.
      .
      Last edited by PCBONEZ; 11-27-2011, 10:59 AM.
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      • littlski717
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        • Nov 2011
        • 28

        #23
        Re: Dell 1901fp

        alright, that helps out some.

        So is that cap basically for a soft turn-on? And by the way, Thank you!

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        • PCBONEZ
          Grumpy Old Fart
          • Aug 2005
          • 10661
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          #24
          Re: Dell 1901fp

          In my mind it's more like a bump to kick-start a vibration.
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          • littlski717
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            • Nov 2011
            • 28

            #25
            Re: Dell 1901fp

            Yeah, I need someone that has played with more boards to give me an idea where to start attacking this. I can't find any schematics online, and I think there may be something not going right on the output connector. Should I for sure be getting 5.17 on 2 of the pins and 0's on the others? I know the ground pins should be 0, but the other ones are the ones I am not sure about.

            Even if someone could point me in the direction of those caps you talk about, would help me. What is the voltage they should be at as the board is plugged in?

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            • retiredcaps
              Badcaps Legend
              • Apr 2010
              • 9271

              #26
              Re: Dell 1901fp

              Originally posted by littlski717
              I have no power led light.
              The power LED is controlled by the logic board.

              I circled what I think are 2 voltage regulators.

              1) Put your multimeter on 20 V DC if manual range.

              2) Put your black probe on a ground screw (any one on the logic board will do fine).

              3) Put your red probe on each voltage regulator pin EXCEPT the big fat tab.

              4) Report the part number for each regulator.

              5) Report all your findings like the following example,

              U101 - part number AL1117-33 - pin 1 = 0.00 V, pin 2 = 3.3 V, pin 3 = 5.0 V
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              • PCBONEZ
                Grumpy Old Fart
                • Aug 2005
                • 10661
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                #27
                Re: Dell 1901fp

                And the power for the logic board and LED comes from the SMPS.......
                .
                It's just not likely for identical failures to occur at the exact same time in two different screens.
                .
                I think it's something in the SMPS start circuit that doesn't affect it once running.
                The failures wouldn't have to -occur- at the same time but wouldn't be detected until the next power-up.
                .
                That's my 2 cents.
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                • retiredcaps
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                  • Apr 2010
                  • 9271

                  #28
                  Re: Dell 1901fp

                  Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                  And the power for the logic board and LED comes from the SMPS.......
                  Yes, I realize that, but since there is 5 V present on the connector pin, I want to see if that 5 V is making it to the logic board.

                  It is also likely that there should be something like 12 V DC to power the inverter section.

                  We all troubleshoot in different ways and I'm just suggesting test points if this were my monitor.
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                  • littlski717
                    Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 28

                    #29
                    Re: Dell 1901fp

                    Okay, here are the measurements -- hopefully I explain this good enough......

                    1st regulator w/ metal flap (pins from left to right with flap on top)
                    part# FAN1537PAC

                    pin 1: 2.93v
                    pin 2: 0v (slowly climbs by a hundredth of a mV)
                    pin 3: 0.2mV
                    pin 4: 2.22V
                    pin 5: 1.79V

                    2nd regulator (from left to right with single pin on top)
                    part# AH3324985

                    pin 1: 0.3mV
                    pin 2: 0.3mV
                    pin 3: 10mV
                    top pin(4): 0.3mV

                    ----HOPE THIS HELPS SOMEONE!! ----

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                    • retiredcaps
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 9271

                      #30
                      Re: Dell 1901fp

                      Originally posted by littlski717
                      1st regulator w/ metal flap (pins from left to right with flap on top)
                      part# FAN1537PAC

                      pin 1: 2.93v
                      pin 2: 0v (slowly climbs by a hundredth of a mV)
                      pin 3: 0.2mV
                      pin 4: 2.22V
                      pin 5: 1.79V
                      According to the datasheet at

                      http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe...FAN1537PA.html

                      pin 1 = Vin should be 5 V
                      pin 2 = NC
                      pin 3 = GND
                      pin 4 = V1 should be 3.3 V
                      pin 5 = V2 either 2.5 V or 1.8 V

                      Let's verify that you are indeed getting 5 V on the connector on the logic board. So measure each pin on the logic board connector. At least one of them should be 5 V DC.
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                      • littlski717
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                        • Nov 2011
                        • 28

                        #31
                        Re: Dell 1901fp

                        Just to double check, you want me to measure the voltages on the logic board pins from the bottom of the board, where the adapter connects from the the power supply board, right?

                        ps. I hope that made any sense. lol

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                        • retiredcaps
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                          • Apr 2010
                          • 9271

                          #32
                          Re: Dell 1901fp

                          Originally posted by littlski717
                          Just to double check, you want me to measure the voltages on the logic board pins from the bottom of the board, where the adapter connects from the the power supply board, right?
                          Correct. If 5 V DC is present, then either that IC chip (Vin should be 5 V DC) is bad or some component in between is bad (maybe a bad capacitor?).
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                          • littlski717
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                            #33
                            Re: Dell 1901fp

                            Okay, here's what I got.

                            on the 5.15v pins, they are both 2.85V.. the bri-out pin, is 2.15V.

                            I replaced the four larger caps on the board and none of them were bad. Someone earlier had mentioned the smaller caps by the big cap. but they don't seem to be bad either.

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                            • retiredcaps
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                              • Apr 2010
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                              #34
                              Re: Dell 1901fp

                              Originally posted by littlski717
                              on the 5.15v pins, they are both 2.85V.. the bri-out pin, is 2.15V.
                              Okay, yesterday you reported that the blue and purple wires on the power board were measured at 5.18 V DC. Now, you are saying the same blue and purple wires on the logic board are now 2.85 V?

                              If yes, then something is wrong on the power board. Can you re-measure the blue and purple wires on the power board?
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                              • littlski717
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                                #35
                                Re: Dell 1901fp

                                Originally posted by retiredcaps
                                Okay, yesterday you reported that the blue and purple wires on the power board were measured at 5.18 V DC.
                                That is correct. When I didnt have the adapter connected, that's what I got.

                                With the adapter connected and pulling measurements directly off of the bottom of the logic board at the connector pins, I got roughly half of that. I will re-measure now and report back.

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                                • littlski717
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                                  • Nov 2011
                                  • 28

                                  #36
                                  Re: Dell 1901fp

                                  ***UPDATE***

                                  Both the blue and purple wires still have 5.18V at the harness that plugs into the logic board.

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                                  • retiredcaps
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                                    #37
                                    Re: Dell 1901fp

                                    Originally posted by littlski717
                                    ***UPDATE***

                                    Both the blue and purple wires still have 5.18V at the harness that plugs into the logic board.
                                    Okay, now re-check that 5 pin IC and see if the voltages match the datasheet.
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                                    • littlski717
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                                      #38
                                      Re: Dell 1901fp

                                      So I re-measured, and pin 5 which is furthest to the right with the tab on top, is giving me a reading of 0.09mV

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                                      • retiredcaps
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                                        #39
                                        Re: Dell 1901fp

                                        Originally posted by littlski717
                                        So I re-measured, and pin 5 which is furthest to the right with the tab on top, is giving me a reading of 0.09mV
                                        Sorry, I meant to retest all 5 pins of the 5 pin IC. List it like you did back in post #29. We want to see all the pin voltages.
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                                        • littlski717
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                                          #40
                                          Re: Dell 1901fp

                                          No need to apologize, I read that waaaay wrong. lol...

                                          so here's the new readings.

                                          Pin 1: 867mV
                                          Pin 2: 0.3mV
                                          Pin 3: 0.8mV
                                          Pin 4: 0.3mV
                                          Pin 5: 0.3mV

                                          .... something seems really strange.

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