Philips HTL2160 soundbar NO power problem

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    Only time will tell since you have no way of analyzing the snubber circuit to see if it is doing its job properly or not.
    Hopefully . Been running for few hours now. So far so good. Fingers crossed

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  • budm
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by DjKrish
    Ok, CAP upgraded to 1kv. Added another one more resistor in line as that's the highest wattage the suppliers have here. That should be fine right?
    Only time will tell since you have no way of analyzing the snubber circuit to see if it is doing its job properly or not.

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  • DjKrish
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    Ok, CAP upgraded to 1kv. Added another one more resistor in line as that's the highest wattage the suppliers have here. That should be fine right?
    Last edited by DjKrish; 09-22-2017, 03:33 AM.

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  • budm
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    I would definitely upgrade the cap to higher Voltage.

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    That will be a good idea. So is the unit still running?
    Yes the unit running fine till now but im afraid it will blow sooner or later so i better put a higher wattage on that resistor. Should i upgrade that cap or leave it as it is?

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  • budm
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    That will be a good idea. So is the unit still running?

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    I would change the cap to 1000V, the 22 Ohms should be higher Wattage otherwise it will probably burn up again. That snubber circuit is design for reducing the Ringing/Overshoot based on the circuit as a whole, so the only way to find out is to use the scope and a differential probe to analyzing what is going on.
    Sadly i dont have a scope But i would change the resistor to higher wattage and the cap to 1000v

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  • jazzie366
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by DjKrish
    This soundbar has a blown AC/DC Offline Switcher IC which is top257en. I replaced it, power restored, can on the unit and sound works fine. After a while, turn it off, and turn it back on again by pressing the power button, the IC blows again Replaced it again, it blows again after playing with the power button ON and OFF a few times. If the power board is not connected with the main board, its not blowing. It only blows when in operational mode. I suspect it could be the ceramic caps and possibly the electrolytic caps as well. Any suggestions? 19V present (according to service manual) on the output pin that's connection to the main board which states 18V. I believe the AC side is working fine as the fuse is not blowing. Its definitely something to do on the DC side thats blowing the IC.

    Already tested all the diodes, all in good order
    Are those caps on the board branded, "ZHN"? They look to be questionable.
    Also, I've seen all the other replies, but just because of the branding im concerned.

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  • budm
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    I would change the cap to 1000V, the 22 Ohms should be higher Wattage otherwise it will probably burn up again. That snubber circuit is design for reducing the Ringing/Overshoot based on the circuit as a whole, so the only way to find out is to use the scope and a differential probe to analyzing what is going on.
    Last edited by budm; 09-20-2017, 09:22 AM.

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    Well, they are not following the IC manufacturer advice.
    the schematic shows two 22 Ohms resistors in parallel so one is not going to handle it, your board only has one, cutting corner to save money on parts. The snubber diode is rated at 1000V too.
    So i should change the Cap and add one more 22 Ohms? Should that be ok?

    Update: After replacing the burned resistor, the main cap is discharging pretty quick upon switching off. Before this nah, wasn't discharging at all. The voltage seems stable as well. The schematic says 19V, the board says 18V. Weird.

    2nd update : Fixed everything and installed the full unit. So far nothing exploded yet as its working fine, fingers crossed
    Last edited by DjKrish; 09-20-2017, 06:22 AM.

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  • budm
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by DjKrish
    The original snubber cap is rated as 2200 J 400. What you see in the picture is actually original according to Phillips schematic diagram

    Well, they are not following the IC manufacturer advice.
    the schematic shows two 22 Ohms resistors in parallel so one is not going to handle it, your board only has one, cutting corner to save money on parts. The snubber diode is rated at 1000V too.
    Last edited by budm; 09-19-2017, 09:22 AM.

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  • CapLeaker
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    It looks like you have blown snubber resistor R565.
    That snubber cap C531 should be rated at 1KV, you have 400V rating on that replacement cap.
    good eyes budm

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    It looks like you have blown snubber resistor R565.
    That snubber cap C531 should be rated at 1KV, you have 400V rating on that replacement cap.
    The original snubber cap is rated as 2200 J 400. What you see in the picture is actually original according to Phillips schematic diagram

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    Last edited by DjKrish; 09-19-2017, 01:37 AM.

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  • budm
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by DjKrish
    Already replaced C531 and C536. The diode is fine no short.
    It looks like you have blown snubber resistor R565.
    That snubber cap C531 should be rated at 1KV, you have 400V rating on that replacement cap.
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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by momaka
    Test with an incandescent bulb in series with the line - that way, if something goes too out of whack, the TOPswitch shouldn't blow up. Details how to wire the incandescent bulb here:
    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...4&postcount=70
    Will try this and update here later

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by budm
    Check the snubber cap C531 and the snubber diode right next to the C531 to make sure they are OK.
    Already replaced C531 and C536. The diode is fine no short.

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  • DjKrish
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by stj
    how did you test the caps?
    With a cap meter

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  • momaka
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Originally posted by DjKrish
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whF0jGZeNHs

    Changed the TOP IC, changed 2 ceramic caps thats connected to the IC. Tested all electro caps and they are fine. Right now if power up as standalone, the power supply is fine but im afraid to hook it up to the main board afraid of blowing up the last TOP i have See the video, the voltage is not constant, it moves up and down
    Test with an incandescent bulb in series with the line - that way, if something goes too out of whack, the TOPswitch shouldn't blow up. Details how to wire the incandescent bulb here:
    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...4&postcount=70

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  • stj
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    how did you test the caps?

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  • budm
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    Re: Phillips soundbar NO power problem

    Check the snubber cap C531 and the snubber diode right next to the C531 to make sure they are OK.

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