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  • samtron786
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2016
    • 178
    • germany

    #1

    philips ep2231 40 Q1 U7

    Hello,
    Which MOSFET do I have here? Is it an N-channel or a P-channel?
    I have two defective ICs, Q1 and U7. What are the names of these components?
    Thank you.​
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  • CapLeaker
    Leaking Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 8681
    • Canada

    #2
    Q1 I read as marking 3G- = PNP transisor BC857C
    That’s not a mosfet

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    • samtron786
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2016
      • 178
      • germany

      #3
      I've done a lot of Google searching
      there are two either/or options for this IC.
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      Last edited by samtron786; 08-24-2025, 03:41 AM.

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      • samtron786
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2016
        • 178
        • germany

        #4
        Before
        After turning on the coffee maker, it immediately rinses, and the water flows into the tray. Then the indicator lights for no water, coffee grounds, and the triangle start flashing simultaneously.
        ich frage mich
        was ist das jetzt U7
        Last edited by samtron786; 08-24-2025, 04:00 AM.

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        • CapLeaker
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          • Dec 2014
          • 8681
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          #5
          Dunno. I think you got to take U7 out and see if it behaves like a MOSFET. If it is a MOSFET, it isn’t shorted and you can turn it on and off with your DMM in diode mode, it is o.k. Yours doesn’t look blown, so it should work.

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          • lotas
            Badcaps Legend
            • Jan 2016
            • 5346
            • Russia

            #6
            U7 = CEW = TL431AIDBZR

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            • samtron786
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              • Aug 2016
              • 178
              • germany

              #7
              Thank you very much
              I found something on eBay, I'll order it
              https://www.ebay.com/itm/305688443074
              OK, CapLeaker
              I'll get it out, I'll get back to you
              Thank you very much

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              • CapLeaker
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                • Dec 2014
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                #8
                I also came up with the CEW may be a TL431, but the other options didn’t provide a cross match. So testing it is. Are you sure this circuit isn’t working?

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                • lotas
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 5346
                  • Russia

                  #9
                  The optocoupler could also be damaged.

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                  • samtron786
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2016
                    • 178
                    • germany

                    #10
                    Hello everyone
                    1. BASE
                    2. EMITTER
                    3. COLLECTOR

                    I have no control with the black cable.
                    With the red cable, the BASE and EMITTER have no control.
                    One number: 707 EMITTER and COLLECTOR.
                    I've removed the part.
                    Thank you very much.

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                    • samtron786
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2016
                      • 178
                      • germany

                      #11
                      I found part 431AR.
                      Is it the same, right?
                      U7 = CEW = TL431AIDBZR
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                      Last edited by samtron786; 09-05-2025, 04:47 AM.

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                      • lotas
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                        • Jan 2016
                        • 5346
                        • Russia

                        #12
                        Originally posted by samtron786
                        I found part 431AR.
                        Is it the same, right?
                        U7 = CEW = TL431AIDBZR

                        Yes, it's the same thing (different manufacturers), just look at the pinout, it may be different for them.
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                        Last edited by lotas; 09-05-2025, 05:09 AM.

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                        • samtron786
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                          • Aug 2016
                          • 178
                          • germany

                          #13
                          Hello, I've searched a lot, but how can I search for the REF with m m?
                          Thank you very much

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                          • lotas
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                            • Jan 2016
                            • 5346
                            • Russia

                            #14
                            Originally posted by samtron786
                            Hello, I've searched a lot, but how can I search for the REF with m m?
                            Thank you very much
                            TL431
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                            • lotas
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                              • Jan 2016
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                              #15
                              It is also better to replace the optocoupler IS01 (817), after the breakdown of TL431...

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                              • samtron786
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2016
                                • 178
                                • germany

                                #16
                                Thank you again, I also intend to do this, it is not a problem, but I would like to first Q1 and U7 then optocoupler

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                                • lotas
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jan 2016
                                  • 5346
                                  • Russia

                                  #17
                                  Ok, if your ordered TL431 does not correspond to the standard pinout, then just turn it upside down, carefully lower the leads down and solder it and everything will work.

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