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  • Wizard
    Badcaps Legend
    • Mar 2008
    • 2296

    #1

    Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

    Checked all the components. This is simple circuit only one transistor and several diodes, four capacitors and number of flame-proof resistors. I did use capacitance meter to check actual value of these capacitors (three caps is polyester and one ceramic disc, none have electrolytic).

    When working properly the liquid surface should be jiggling vigorously which it did intermittently, all I get is very faint shimmer (most of time). Twice time I had had unit's liquid surface jiggling with vigor and I put test objects to test and after withdraw it, just barely a shimmer. And other time was jiggling merrily then it suddenly flattened out to a faint shimmer. Dang.

    Measured 30-33KHz with my fluke multimeter (it can measure up to 100KHz and had no problem seeing 15.7KHz before on CRT tv as well as 31-33KHz CRTs.) , should be 55KHz oscillation riding on 30hz bursts (which is correct on scope but oscillation is not at 55KHz) because of one diode supplying AC pulses to the oscillator circuit. I even moved the wire on the transducer with new spot of silver bearing solder, just in case.

    I even exchanged ceramic disc that measured 360pF (should be 330pF (code 331) with no difference.

    Then what now? Transducer shot? This one is solidly bonded to the pot's bottom. Note I always kept liquid filled in the pot while testing runs and probing it's innards.

    Background: when unit came in dead, all it had was open 1 Ohm 1W resistor, not even overheated at all, fuse intact. That feeds 115VAC thru this resistor to the one diode (forward-biased) feeding half the sine waveform to rest of the circuit.

    Please talk.

    Cheers, Wizard
    Last edited by Wizard; 04-01-2010, 06:45 PM.
  • PlainBill
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2009
    • 7034
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

    Originally posted by Wizard
    Checked all the components. This is simple circuit only one transistor and several diodes, four capacitors and number of flame-proof resistors. I did use capacitance meter to check actual value of these capacitors (three caps is polyester and one ceramic disc, none have electrolytic).

    When working properly the liquid surface should be jiggling vigorously which it did intermittently, all I get is very faint shimmer (most of time). Twice time I had had unit's liquid surface jiggling with vigor and I put test objects to test and after withdraw it, just barely a shimmer. And other time was jiggling merrily then it suddenly flattened out to a faint shimmer. Dang.

    Measured 30-33KHz with my fluke multimeter (it can measure up to 100KHz and had no problem seeing 15.7KHz before on CRT tv as well as 31-33KHz CRTs.) , should be 55KHz oscillation riding on 30hz bursts (which is correct on scope but oscillation is not at 55KHz) because of one diode supplying AC pulses to the oscillator circuit. I even moved the wire on the transducer with new spot of silver bearing solder, just in case.

    I even exchanged ceramic disc that measured 360pF (should be 330pF (code 331) with no difference.

    Then what now? Transducer shot? This one is solidly bonded to the pot's bottom. Note I always kept liquid filled in the pot while testing runs and probing it's innards.

    Background: when unit came in dead, all it had was open 1 Ohm 1W resistor, not even overheated at all, fuse intact. That feeds 115VAC thru this resistor to the one diode (forward-biased) feeding half the sine waveform to rest of the circuit.

    Please talk.

    Cheers, Wizard
    Ultrasonic cleaners. That takes me back to the dawn of my involvement in electronics. I suspect the circuit is designed to oscillate at the resonant frequency of the transducer. Way back when I was told it was a no-no to let anything touch the bottom of the pot, it could damage the transducer. Items to be cleaned were to be suspended in a basket. The symptoms you describe sure match what I saw.

    PlainBill
    For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

    Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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    • Wizard
      Badcaps Legend
      • Mar 2008
      • 2296

      #3
      Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

      I did suspend the items as test not touching the bottom.

      Go on.

      Cheers, Wizard

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      • PlainBill
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2009
        • 7034
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

        Originally posted by Wizard
        I did suspend the items as test not touching the bottom.

        Go on.

        Cheers, Wizard
        Well, 40 years ago the verdict was 'unrepairable'. I have no idea what (if anything) has changed in this area.

        PlainBill
        For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

        Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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        • Wizard
          Badcaps Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 2296

          #5
          Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

          I'll wait for other replies too.

          Cheers, Wizard

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          • Toasty
            Badcaps Legend
            • Jul 2007
            • 4171

            #6
            Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

            Sounds like the transducer has a hairline fracture. Same as a piezo speaker or mic that takes a good whack somewhere.

            http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=2073673

            ?

            Hot or cold solution make any difference? Freeze spray or hair dryer? Tapping on it?

            Toast

            EDIT: Duh! Forgot. Measure capacitance of element when working right and not.
            Last edited by Toasty; 04-01-2010, 09:45 PM.
            veritas odium parit

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            • stj
              Great Sage 齊天大聖
              • Dec 2009
              • 30979
              • Albion

              #7
              Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

              seconded - check the ceramic isnt cracked.

              and if it's looking o.k. resolder the wires to it at both ends.
              i'v seen solder crystalise once - really strange thenomenon.
              it looks almost normal but hardly conducts - till you reflow it or scrape the surface with something!

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              • Wizard
                Badcaps Legend
                • Mar 2008
                • 2296

                #8
                Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

                Capacitance check on the transducer? Interesting throught, and I happen to have capacitance meter.

                Cheers, Wizard

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                • Toasty
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 4171

                  #9
                  Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

                  Any luck there Wizard?
                  veritas odium parit

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                  • Wizard
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 2296

                    #10
                    Re: Weak ultrasonic cleaner machine.

                    Transducer is the problem, since it is bonded to the tub, not replaceable. Scoped and got good waveforms.

                    Cheers, Wizard

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