Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

[tom66]

Ugh
http://www.shopjimmy.com/panasonic-n...18-p-board.htm

55" VT50 premium line model... you'd expect quality right, not crappy Taicon/Lelon capacitors?

[japlytic]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

At one time, Panasonic only used their own brand of electrolytic capacitors in their products, as far as I know.

[tom66]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

That board is the first use of small Panasonic caps I have ever seen Panasonic use. They're a lot more found of using Rubycon or Chemicon in that position. They tend to use larger Panasonic caps on their older products.

[ben7]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

That board is the first use of small Panasonic caps I have ever seen Panasonic use. They're a lot more found of using Rubycon or Chemicon in that position. They tend to use larger Panasonic caps on their older products.

Our panasonic 32" LCD uses rubycon and nichicon capacitors.

At least they aren't using something worse like samwha, capxon, elite, or ltec

[tom66]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

To be honest I trust Samwha and Samyoung now more than Lelon, Taicon, etc.

[Mrx3750]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

I think Lelon's are borderline, and best suited for electronics that don't see a lot of heat. I think Samwha is another name for Samsung capacitors.

[PeteS in CA]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Panasonic used to be THE major customer for Panasonic caps. Other customers occasionally had availability issues due to Panasonic internal usage being first priority. That was true of film caps as well as lytics.

[lti]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

I think the green caps are Koshin brand. Aside from those and the one Rubycon, the rest appear to be Panasonic.

[tom66]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Aren't Koshin re-badged?

[Topcat]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

panasonic can't afford their own caps I guess.....they sure rape us for them.

[Pentium4]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

How embarrassing. Taicon aren't horrible at least. But Koshin and Lelon sure are...

[Agent24]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Taicon I've found fine in LCDs where all the CapXon have blown, so I wouldn't worry about them so much... Guess they have to do something to compete with the Chinese...

[c_hegge]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Planned obsolescence, I guess.

FWIW, that will come back and bite BIG TIME in Australia. It's illegal now to only honour warranties for 1 year in this country. Manufacturers of most things now, by law, have to honour warranties for the expected lifetime of the product. So, using bad caps is only gonna result in extremely high return rates, not people coming back to buy more a day after the warranty ends.

[Agent24]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Chinese crap has high fail rates and yet idiots keep buying it though...

[tom66]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Planned obsolescence, I guess.

FWIW, that will come back and bite BIG TIME in Australia. It's illegal now to only honour warranties for 1 year in this country. Manufacturers of most things now, by law, have to honour warranties for the expected lifetime of the product. So, using bad caps is only gonna result in extremely high return rates, not people coming back to buy more a day after the warranty ends.

Yeah, only if people know about it. Almost no one knows that in the UK, under the "sale of goods act" items have to last a "reasonable length of time" which is generally defined as at least 6 years. Retailers try and make it as difficult as they can, as you must claim through them not through the manufacturer. But it is possible to get a repair/replacement, with the same 6 year warranty on it, if yours fails or develops a fault with normal usage.

[ben7]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Chinese crap has high fail rates and yet idiots keep buying it though...

+1000! I seriously agree with this. It's frustrating too, because some of it is unsafe, like no fuses, teensy capacitors, no control IC (talking about smps's here)

Yeah, only if people know about it. Almost no one knows that in the UK, under the "sale of goods act" items have to last a "reasonable length of time" which is generally defined as at least 6 years. Retailers try and make it as difficult as they can, as you must claim through them not through the manufacturer. But it is possible to get a repair/replacement, with the same 6 year warranty on it, if yours fails or develops a fault with normal usage.

We need something like that in the US!!!!!!!

I see a lot of silly one year warranties on most products, and I immediately think it is a bad product

[shovenose]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

Planned obsolescence, I guess.

FWIW, that will come back and bite BIG TIME in Australia. It's illegal now to only honour warranties for 1 year in this country. Manufacturers of most things now, by law, have to honour warranties for the expected lifetime of the product. So, using bad caps is only gonna result in extremely high return rates, not people coming back to buy more a day after the warranty ends.

Then they'll make an AU edition with better caps.

[tom66]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

If so, the system works! The minimum warranty IMO should be 5 years but there should be a tax cut for any manufacturer who guarantees sets for 10 years. You can bet the retailers will do anything to stop such a law, as they would no longer be able to compete with Amazon et al. Retail prices generally match Amazon... at a loss... but then they throw in the Monster HDMI cable, 5 year service plan, cable plan, etc...

[retiredcaps]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

The minimum warranty IMO should be 5 years but there should be a tax cut for any manufacturer who guarantees sets for 10 years.

Very disappointing to see Panasonic is not using their own caps. I still love plasma and would buy another one when it is required.

For Costco members, they offer, what I consider a very reasonablely priced, extended warranty up to 5 years.

The potential issue with tax cuts offering a 10 year warranty is that the manufacturer may not be in business for 10 years. I have seen my local government hand out tax breaks to businesses who "promise" to be a long term partner (5 to 10 years) only to bail out at the first sign of trouble. Of course, you could make the tax cuts yearly/retroactive, etc.

[larrymoencurly]

Re: Panasonic now using Taicon & Lelon on premium plasma products

At one time, Panasonic only used their own brand of electrolytic capacitors in their products, as far as I know.

In 1999 or 2000, I bought a Panasonic CRT monitor made in Japan that had only Panasonic/Matsushita caps in it, but its warranty replacement (bad convergence), made in Taiwan, was full of Jamicons. Still works.