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**willawake** · 06-05-2005, 04:21 AM

Re: Good economiccal temp conrolled soldering irons

thanks to willawake again cos your links were incorrect syntax

that goot looks like it has the same handle as my goot cxr-30 22w iron. it is so comfortable. if i was down under i would have bought it already. Is it really RX-711AS (antistatic model) like shown in the pic? or just RX-711.

yeah, lead free/hakko is looking to be suspicious

this company in Bali has more choice http://www.dutaria.com/

**willawake** · 06-05-2005, 06:01 AM

Re: Good economiccal temp conrolled soldering irons

how bout the svs-500as. damn it looks good and at $680 it should

can get the goot catalogue here : http://www.greenwood-electronics.co....d/Download.htm

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**Neo2_000** · 06-05-2005, 07:52 AM

A$64 Question

Is it really RX-711AS (antistatic model) like shown in the pic? or just RX-711.

Don't think it's the AS model - this is not specifried in the description and from memory the AS model is considerably more expensive.

What do you think? The Hakko would seem to be the best value for money. Aside from a digital readout, can you see any clear advanatges held by the Goot which would justify the extra A$64.

http://www.hakkousa.com/lead-free/default.asp

Here ia a link which holds a demo video on leaded vs lead-free soldering.

**willawake** · 06-05-2005, 08:44 AM

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digital models are higher price anyway but of no extra benefit for recapping. the most important thing is that with the hakko you have easy access to all parts from the same site. keep it running for many more years. that model is very popular esp in the states.

get some tips and extra sponges to save reordering.

**Neo2_000** · 06-06-2005, 08:04 AM

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Hi Willawake,

You were asking about the RX-711AS model and I found this at the very good price of A$229.
Perhaps I was mistaken in believing the AS model was considerably more expensive.

I am leaning towards the Hakko but since Jaycar are marketing the Goot, availability of spares should also be assured for it as well.

https://secure2.vivid-design.com.au/...=&SUBCATID=627

**willawake** · 06-06-2005, 08:57 AM

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did you read this thread by lordzim

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ighlight=hakko

**Neo2_000** · 06-06-2005, 10:35 AM

Re: Good economiccal temp conrolled soldering irons

I have now thanks.

After putting up with my scope sledgeheammer for so long, I look forward to a similarly auxhiliarating soldering experience.

Have posted in electronics groups now, seeking feedback on the Goot.

If nothing significant presents itself, I will most likely play it safe and go with the Hakko per your recommnedation.

**willawake** · 06-06-2005, 12:10 PM

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here's some Goot pics to confuse you even more. thats just a low cost CXR-30 22w. Nice exposed ceramic heater. Very easy to change tips and secure them properly. doesnt look like a weller lol. (before anybody reading this goes and buys this same one, it is for very delicate work and does not have enough heat at all for recapping)

any where you post you will have more recommendations for the hakko cos the distribution is better, especially in the states where they have a big operation.

i think you will have no complaints with either unit. if you are doing a lot of repairs for your shop cant you get the shop to get you a soldering/desoldering station?

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**Neo2_000** · 06-06-2005, 06:02 PM

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here's some Goot pics to confuse you even more.

Thanks Willawake. A friend of mine often accuses me of suffering from analysis paralysis.

As for the shop paying for this, I am given the boards to do whatever I want with. Aside from building a couple of computers for my own personal use, I have just been stockpiling them so far for further testing when I get time.

Then I will probably use them to knock up some more second-hand PCs which I sell locally or through the shop, but it is important that they be rock stable - customer returns are not worth the headache.

Apart from that, I find it a lot of fun and just enjoy doing it. The shop does not offer this as a service. They are more interested in selling new packages and I doubt that they would not be interested in covering such a purchase.

Does the Hakko have similar hollow tips? Goot market this feature claiming improved heat transfer and recovery time.

**willawake** · 06-07-2005, 01:25 AM

Re: Good economiccal temp conrolled soldering irons

i will add also the Metcal PS-800 to the mix for a complete roundup, in case anybody else is checking the thread.

http://www.okinternational.com/product_soldering/ps_800

these are going for $223 at farnell. previously i thought metcal was too expensive but this is a newer cheap model. can actually remove the tips easily while the iron is on.

and you need to as well cos it has no temperature control, the tip cartridge is rated for the temperature you want and then the station adjusts the power to the tip to maintain the temperature while you are soldering. strange indeed.

update : Metcal is now OK International

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**Neo2_000** · 06-07-2005, 10:47 AM

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Found it in OZ but not from Farnell.

http://www.okay.com.au/catalog/index.php

Metcal PS800 @ A$429+?

and SP200 @ A$350+GST.

Both have the short barrel iron which would be just great to manipulate.

Ozzies note:
Great selection of tools on this site. Probes and gadgets of all kinds.

Straight fine probe only $10.89 plus post.

**bushytails** · 06-07-2005, 12:01 PM

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You people all have too much money. I use whatever I can get on ebay, garage sales, etc cheaply...

--Randy

**willawake** · 06-07-2005, 01:52 PM

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You people all have too much money.

i have never regret the money i spent for good tools. i buy a lot of facom hand tools, i suppose they are the european equivalent to snap-on. lifetime guarantee, broken..just take it back to any facom shop and they exchange immediately. more expensive but i really enjoy using nice tools, it is part of the experience.

anyway it is good for us to check out the soldering stations available. i am sure anybody checking this thread will find it useful.

one thing i have found is that it really pays to shop around. i have seen such differences in prices on the net. the problem with companies like metcal and pace is that the distributors think they are selling to industry and the prices go up.

anybody looking for this stuff in difficult locations, RS and Farnell are handling the good brands and parts respectively.

i am still checking out the metcal's details, i see the tips on RS are 380oC and 415oC. i am wondering if that would be flexible enough. 308euro is kinda much for a station. 11-13 euro for the tips is not bad though and 20 euro for pack of 10 sponges i guess i could live with. the reason the tips are cheaper than usual is that the heater is not contained with in each tip like the more expensive metcal models. i wonder if this is a compromise though.

**bushytails** · 06-07-2005, 02:07 PM

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"i have never regret the money i spent for good tools"... my stomach would regret my spending money on good tools.

--Randy

**willawake** · 06-07-2005, 02:22 PM

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my stomach is too full of beer to worry about tools.........cheers

**Neo2_000** · 06-07-2005, 04:47 PM

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Believe me, I do NOT have too much money.

But I simply need the right tools to do a reasonable job while trying not to fry the Mobo in the process.

It therefore makes sense to do your homework so as to get the best value for your money when you haven't got a lot of it, and it pays dividends.

The Hakko ES safe model at A$165 represents incredible value for money. Based on price and the principle of buying a known quantity, it will probably be my choice.

However, comparing the specs, I am mindful that it may just become redundant in a few years when lead-free soldering will be the norm. So it is interesting to weigh up the cost of what is available in that department because that is your future.

Basically at this point in time, you would have to at least double your outlay which I really cannot justify. The 936 should last me a few years and perhaps in the future when the new models become more mainstream the prices will drop accordingly making it easy to trade up.

However, if I could afford it, the smart choice might be to just buy a lead-free model right now and have something that will last you for years to come.

Another consideration is what the future holds as far as the badcaps problem goes. I now see companies like Gigabyte bringing out good stuff. But the short-sightedness of human nature being what it is, companies like Azza should keep us busy for quite a while.

**Neo2_000** · 06-07-2005, 05:17 PM

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Started quite a war on the newsgroups.

Nobody knew a thing about Goot.

Basically proponents were divided into 2 camps, Weller and Hakko. They started slinging off at each other over claims that the Weller was unreliable which staunch defenders put down to poor user handling.

There wasn't much bad press for the Hakko however supporting what Willawake said.

Too bad nobody bothered to read my original post which asked how the Goot measured up.

Oh well, you get that. Think I will order that Hakko today.

**Neo2_000** · 06-07-2005, 10:05 PM

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Hi Willawake,

Just about to order the Hakko.

What tips do you recommend I get?

**kc8adu** · 06-08-2005, 04:53 AM

Re: Good economiccal temp conrolled soldering irons

get a used weller temp controlled off ebay.
i got one a while back for 25.00
it is a wtcp something.
i have used these a long while with no problems other than the occasional worn out tip.

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