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  • aerospacejackson
    Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 19
    • united states

    #1

    Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

    Hello, a tv repair place has identified my TCON board as being bad offered to fix it for 300 dollars, took the tv home and pulled the board, i am getting no continuity and my resistance is showing open through the F1 Fuse. On the surface of the fuse it say LF 7A, any idea as to a part number so i can order a new one? the model on the board is 404652ASNC6LV3.7.
  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

    You can try this:
    http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...1CT-ND/1905919

    You lay a new fuse on top of the old fuse and solder both ends to the old fuse.
    The board may have short circuits, so order more then one.
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    • tom66
      EVs Rule
      • Apr 2011
      • 32560
      • UK

      #3
      Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

      Just to check though - the symptom of the fault, no picture, but screen is lit up, and sound is present? Post a picture of the board, there could be a shorted ceramic capacitor on it.
      Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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      • aerospacejackson
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        • Jun 2012
        • 19
        • united states

        #4
        Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

        Yes, those are the exact symptoms, turns on screen lights up, good sound, then after about 15 seconds it shuts off the standby blinks 14 times. Ill try to post a good picture of the board

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        • aerospacejackson
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          • Jun 2012
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          #5
          Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

          also how would i check a the capacitor?

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          • tom66
            EVs Rule
            • Apr 2011
            • 32560
            • UK

            #6
            Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

            Originally posted by aerospacejackson
            also how would i check a the capacitor?
            With a multimeter... but post some pictures so we can highlight the possible ones.

            I guess the TV is shutting down because it is not seeing the T-con working. I have not worked on any Sony TVs so I don't know if this is how they do it. It seems kind of strange to me.
            Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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            • aerospacejackson
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              • Jun 2012
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              #7
              Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

              ok just one minute ill have a picture to post

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              • aerospacejackson
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                • Jun 2012
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                • united states

                #8
                Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                here it is
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                • aerospacejackson
                  Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 19
                  • united states

                  #9
                  Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                  This is going to be my first adventure into surface mount soldering so if you have any pointers there i appreciate it

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                    Can you see those light brown rectangular shape, they should have something like Cxx next to them, they are MULTILAYER CERAMIC CAPACITORS (MLCC).
                    Set your Ohm meter to 200 Ohms range and just measure the resistance on both end of each cap, we are looking for something in less than 2 Ohms (the resistance had to be low enough to blow 7A fuse) if they are bad.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • aerospacejackson
                      Member
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 19
                      • united states

                      #11
                      Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                      not sure what you mean about setting it to the 200 ohm range, the multimeter im using is a fluke 115 truerms multimeter when i set it to ohms it looks like it has an auto setting the the side it has a M and the ohm symbol. when i put that on any of the ones next to the fuse (c372. cd253) they read between 6 and 8

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                      • aerospacejackson
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                        • Jun 2012
                        • 19
                        • united states

                        #12
                        Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                        but the fuse just reads OL as if it was open

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                        • retiredcaps
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 9271

                          #13
                          Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                          Originally posted by aerospacejackson
                          they read between 6 and 8
                          6 and 8 what? Ohms, k ohms, M ohms? If unsure, press hold, take a picture and upload it.
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                          • retiredcaps
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                            #14
                            Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                            Originally posted by aerospacejackson
                            Hello, a tv repair place has identified my TCON board as being bad offered to fix it for 300 dollars, .
                            What a complete ripoff!!
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                            • aerospacejackson
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                              #15
                              Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                              M ohms, at least the guy was honest, he said "we can fix it for 300 but i wouldnt recommend it. Since the screen itself is going bad, i just want to get this fuse fixed and hopefully buy a few months out of it.

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                              • budm
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 40746
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                                "but the fuse just reads OL as if it was open" that is correct reading since you have blown fuse.
                                I think you can activate manual range setting of your meter, see your user manual.
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                • aerospacejackson
                                  Member
                                  • Jun 2012
                                  • 19
                                  • united states

                                  #17
                                  Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                                  when i activate manual at the bottom it has a 6 and then when i press range again it goes to 6 0 then 6 0 0

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                                  • budm
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                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                                    Lets do this, put meter in Ohm mode, then short the test leads together and then step through the range and tell us what you see.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • retiredcaps
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Apr 2010
                                      • 9271

                                      #19
                                      Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                                      Originally posted by aerospacejackson
                                      when i activate manual at the bottom it has a 6 and then when i press range again it goes to 6 0 then 6 0 0
                                      Since I have a Fluke 117, you want the one that says 600 ohms. This is the lowest scale.
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                                      • aerospacejackson
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Sony KDL46w4100 tcon board F1 fuse

                                        I have placed the fuse on top of the old one and soldered the ends, the tv fires up now and does the same thing it did before regarding lighting but no picture but the problem where it shut itself down has stopped. Any ideas?

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