The "leaked" Windows 11

[Topcat]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

What I'm worried about, is that Microsoft, possibly perm-banned X79.
Even worse, if they perm-banned X99 and the later ultra-high-end-platforms from Intel, with quad-channel-SDRAM-support.

It's one thing to perm-ban P43 and P45, which are socket 775, as nobody even runs 10 with them, usually, TMK! (and everything with DDR2)

For socket 775=Better stay with Windows 7, or go to Linux!

Win10 pro runs very well on LGA775 C2Q or Xeon (Harpertown 5400 series) modded DDR2 (some were DDR3) systems. The key to this is a SSD. Through the pandemic, I sold a lot of them to folks who needed cheap work-from-home systems. Even today, they're fabulous web browsing, emailing, facebarfing, letter typers....and with an upgraded GPU will play games to some degree.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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What I'm worried about, is that Microsoft, possibly perm-banned X79.
Even worse, if they perm-banned X99 and the later ultra-high-end-platforms from Intel, with quad-channel-SDRAM-support.

It's one thing to perm-ban P43 and P45, which are socket 775, as nobody even runs 10 with them, usually, TMK! (and everything with DDR2)

For socket 775=Better stay with Windows 7, or go to Linux!

[stj]

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i think Linus has a copy, if so he could do some tests with different cpu's etc.
of course the "debug" version is probably more forgiving than the final release build!

[Per Hansson]

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I was going to say that TPM 2.0 is only a "soft" requirement, but that TPM 1.2 is a "hard" requirement.
However now Microsoft changed the language on their support website removing the part about TPM 1.2 so honestly I have no clue.

Here is how it was listed earlier:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210624...ty/windows-11/
And now that part about TPM 1.2 is gone:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ty/windows-11/

On the CPU requirements I think those are just silly, it probably is a list for OEM's to be certified or some useless shit like that.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...r-requirements

[stj]

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i dont know why anybody even cares about w11, 8 was bad, 10 was worse.
you exect 11 to be better?

new features probably include the microsoft unified man-machine interface that bluetooth links to your vaccine particles and allows you to login with your dna(your new improved dna)

[RJARRRPCGP]

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a current example was older AMD 64 chips not having SSE3 wouldn't run 64 bit windows 10, but older 64 bit pentium 4s being able too because having SSE3.

That reminds me of socket 462 Athlons-You can fuhgetaboutit!
Because socket 462 Athlons never had SSE2, while all socket 478 Pentium 4s have SSE2. (if not also the pre-Northwood Pentium 4s, as well)

And Athlon XP, had PIII-style SSE.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I'm almost ashamed to set it up for people, especially Home; which is impossible to denut completely.

I think that's why there's only a Pro Ghost Spectre!

[lti]

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they have a few years to work on it. I'm sure between now and them the'll make some changes. A guy on a tech page on facebook said it installed on his 6th series intel

I think it is just preliminary and the requirements will change between now and when Windows 11 is actually released. If Microsoft sticks with those requirements, a lot of people will be angry (and will be silenced by the "i7-7700K and Ryzen 7 1800X users are anti-technology" idiots producing millions of tons of e-waste).

Also, the CPU support list for Windows 10 (all versions) only goes back to the Intel 5th generation, and that's obviously wrong.

There will be no Windows 11 here at my house if this is true.

Windows 11 Home Edition Requires a Microsoft Account to Complete Setup

https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-1...complete-setup

That's only for the "home" version, and considering that Windows 10 nags me to use a Microsoft account every time I restart, it really isn't surprising.

As for TPM, if Windows 11 requires it, then I have no systems that support that.

Just like the CPU requirement, that's ridiculous and will force tons of people to buy new computers. I would expect that requirement to change. If it doesn't, then Microsoft doesn't care about e-waste (just like every phone and TV manufacturer). Secure Boot is also required, so dual-booting with Linux won't work.

[retiredcaps]

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There will be no Windows 11 here at my house if this is true.

Windows 11 Home Edition Requires a Microsoft Account to Complete Setup

https://www.pcmag.com/news/windows-1...complete-setup

As for TPM, if Windows 11 requires it, then I have no systems that support that.

The only time I need Windows 10 is for one tax program that I run in April every year. If Windows 11 won't run on my E8500 CPU, then I will re-examine WINE again.

All my computers at home run Lubuntu on mainly E8500 systems that I got for $10 CAD.

The way most people use their computer, they only need a bare bones OS that boots and load their favourite browser.

I left Windows in April 2014 and have no plans to ever willingly go back.

[Uranium-235]

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they have a few years to work on it. I'm sure between now and them the'll make some changes. A guy on a tech page on facebook said it installed on his 6th series intel

[lti]

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Those system requirements don't make sense to me either. I would have to look at the instruction set and see what changed in the 8th-gen Core or 2nd-gen Ryzen. I haven't heard about any changes other than the stupid new UI, which is really annoying. There have to be some kernel improvements under that "innovation."

[BigTroll]

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So the question is now will 20H1 be the final version of Windows 10, we know 8.1 has security update support till 2023 and 10 was going to be 2025 so thats still 4 years if microsoft keeps their word, if 11 is that bad we can still use 10 for quite awhile.

[Uranium-235]

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the basic thing here is 64-bit dual core (not sure about single core /w HT/MT). But most older systems will simply not support TPM 2.0, so it rules them out unless someone comes up with a bios/OS hack

[Topcat]

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I understand not supporting truly old hardware (I certainly don't expect them to still support the core2duo/quad era stuff, and could even understand not supporting the first couple generations of the core "i" series), but not supporting CPUs released as recently as 3 years ago (which you can still buy new), GPUs one generation of DirectX back, and requiring a TPM even for non-enterprise editions (and only supporting the latest version), is a little ridiculous. It is one thing for it not to run on a 10 year old PC or even a 5+ year old one, but allot of even 1-2 year old PCs (and even some current production "home" models that don't have a TPM or a slot/header in the motherboard to add one as until now TPMs often had little value outside of the enterprise/government environment) don't meet the requirements, and just about anything 3+ years old is a no go due to the limited CPU support even if the other hardware meets the requirements (or could be easily upgraded to do so).

This 100%. M$ has been on a very shitty path with stuff like this since W10's release. I disliked Win7 when released....but SP1 cured all my main gripes. I am still yet to warm up to Win10....what a horrible collection of spyware & bloat....I'm almost ashamed to set it up for people, especially Home; which is impossible to denut completely. I don't see any bonuses to 11 yet except M$'s usual "where's Waldo" with functions & features and more bloat in the name of "telemetry" and eye candy.

[dmill89]

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I do sympathize though, at some point, they do need to stop supporting older hardware, and this is how they are going to do it.

I understand not supporting truly old hardware (I certainly don't expect them to still support the core2duo/quad era stuff, and could even understand not supporting the first couple generations of the core "i" series), but not supporting CPUs released as recently as 3 years ago (which you can still buy new), GPUs one generation of DirectX back, and requiring a TPM even for non-enterprise editions (and only supporting the latest version), is a little ridiculous. It is one thing for it not to run on a 10 year old PC or even a 5+ year old one, but allot of even 1-2 year old PCs (and even some current production "home" models that don't have a TPM or a slot/header in the motherboard to add one as until now TPMs often had little value outside of the enterprise/government environment) don't meet the requirements, and just about anything 3+ years old is a no go due to the limited CPU support even if the other hardware meets the requirements (or could be easily upgraded to do so).

I don't see a single "must have" feature added in win 11.

X2, of course the only downside is that win 10 will go out of support eventually limiting options if you want to have a supported OS and have programs that require Windows. In my case since my main personal desktop(my desktop is actually still on Windows 7 though, it will likely only be upgraded to 10 once most 3rd. party software stops supporting 7) and laptop are around 4-5 years old, by the time Windows 10 goes out of support in 2025 it will likely be "time" to upgrade the hardware anyhow, but I'd sure be pissed if I bought/built a new computer in the last couple of years to find out that it isn't supported by the new version of windows (it is almost like Vista all over again in that regard, but worse since Vista just ran like crap on older or even lower-end current hardware, while11 just won't install all-together if the requirement aren't met according to MS).

[clearchris]

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I don't see a single "must have" feature added in win 11. I'm fine on windows 10. I do sympathize though, at some point, they do need to stop supporting older hardware, and this is how they are going to do it. Windows 10 will be around for a long time though. Aside from my development / modelling programs, I don't have any issues with speed (after I turn off the windows bloat/indexing/cortana/spyware, but I repeat myself) on my pretty old laptop with SSD and 8G ram. And once I get my not recent proliant server in my rack, I'll offload the modelling / dev work to that, which should be faster than any laptop available, even now.

I did have a nice chuckle at the rounded corners though. I still turn off all the animations, etc, and run win 3.11 skin in all black. I just want all my programs to blip in and out of existence instantly if possible.

[shovenose]

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Windows 10 starts crazy fast for me from a shutdown due to UEFI. Restarts are different. That is closest to your real boot time

W10 runs pretty fast on anything with an SSD. It's the main bottleneck. With NVMe becoming more prevalent, default bloatware makes less difference.

I remember when Vista came out with required specs that were fake, because hardware wasn't really ready to go from XP to such a redone OS

Hardware prices and capabilities caught up. Now windows 10 from a default install is lightning fast on an i3 10100 with 8gb of ram and a Samsung Evo plus (system I built recently)

I think 10 and 11 will likely stay about the same with resources and hardware will just get faster and cheaper that blazing fast computers don't really require much

Yup. Every single personal/friend/family/client PC I work on where the complaint is "it's too slow" the first thing is a $30 SSD and it solves the problem.

Even with fast startup disabled (although, why would you disable it?) boot times are excellent.

I only have one HDD based system in my life and it's the PC I lent my bf. It's running on a 250GB 10,000RPM VelociRaptor. That's temporary until we buy a 1TB SSD but it still boots quick and is responsive. Anything else with a regular 7200rpm or especially 5400rpm HDD is just slow trash with Win10 no matter what the hardware specs are.

[BigTroll]

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the lists don't make sense. I have a laptop with the Athlon 3050u which is fairly slow and about equal cpu wise to my older 2011 i5 2520m Sandy Bridge laptop. So unless they only choose to support cpus based on features I think that list might be wrong.a current example was older AMD 64 chips not having SSE3 wouldn't run 64 bit windows 10, but older 64 bit pentium 4s being able too because having SSE3.

[Topcat]

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Wow, I'm still using 5400-series Harpertown Xeons. I do have a couple westmere systems in my active fleet.....and a 4th gen i7 in the mix. None of them are even running Win10....so forget win11.

[dmill89]

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I guess I'm out then... Heck, not even my work laptop is new enough (i7-6600U) . Or the gaming system I bought/built for my dad a few months ago (Ryzen 5 1600). Gotta loved planned obsolescence...

Yep, of all the PCs I have, only my work laptop (a 1 year old HP Z-Book Studio G5) meets the requirements, though given that the company just moved to Windows 10 last year (and some are still on 7 with paid extended support, though they hope to have everyone upgraded by the end of the year, with a few non-compatible applications being the hold up), I will likely hit the lifecycle replacement (4 years) on that laptop before they upgrade to Windows 11.


My main personal desktop meets all the requirements except for the CPU (the i7-4790 is plenty powerful enough, but not on their "supported list", I would also need to add a TPM, which the motherboard has a header for, but if the CPU isn't supported it doesn't matter). My main personal Laptop (Dell Precision M4800), doesn't meet the requirements on CPU (i7-4910MQ, again plenty of power, but not on the "supported" list), GPU (the Nvidia Quadro K2100m only supports DX11), and TPM (it has a version 1.2 TPM and Windows 11 requires a version 2.0 minimum)