House Lan Wiring

[willawake]

I have to go and terminate some in-wall lan cabling in a new house. It said cat5e on the cabling but its much thicker external insulation and the pairs looked thicker than usual. clearly it was the proper stuff for in-wall installation. problem is i am not familiar with new house stuff.

so anyway the patch panels i can find are all krone termination and i was wondering if this would be suitable for thicker cables?

[PCBONEZ]

Re: House Lan Wiring

As long as it will punch down (insulation thickness in the way, diameter of the actual wire) and the metal part of the wire is at least the diameter of the normal wire there should be no electrical problems.
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Worst thing I can see is it might be harder to punch in.
As long as they'll go, once they are in the metal contact should be fine.
May even be better than the normal size wire because the connections will be tighter.

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[willawake]

Re: House Lan Wiring

yeah its the punching down i was concerned about.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Well, get a beer, a chunk of cable, and a punchdown block and see how it goes.

[Bookworm]

Re: House Lan Wiring

The Krone blocks are somewhat new. I've been doing networking for a decade, and just saw my first krone punchdown blade about eight months ago.

You may _need_ that Krone blade. It's slightly off-center, compared to the standard 110 punchdown.

Otherwise, there are three different types of casing that I've seen. There's plenum (slightly more brittle, required for buildings over a certain size with a plenum return air system), PVC - which is normally used for house construction and so forth. Burning insulation won't be part of the air returns unless you've already lost most of the house. The third type is what i've seen on Media Twist wire, and it's pretty interesting.

As for thickness of the cable sheathe? Meaningless. What's important is that you have the obviously different twist spacing between the wiring. (to the eye, it's two of one, and two of another)

[dood]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Obviously, codes are different all over the place, but I just ran standard CAT5e through my dad's new house, and used regular old 110 punchdowns for it.

[Azurael]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Aargh... That's why I settle for the lower speeds of Wireless (and my Draft-N kit really doesn't seem to be any quicker than the G kit it replaced, but nevermind - the router has a faster CPU and more RAM, which keeps DD-WRT happy.)

I was thinking of getting a pair of HomePlug bridges to network upstairs to downstairs faster - I certainly wouldn't faff around with in-wall LAN cable, but then again, perhaps your walls are less solid than ours - not so much cavity as chipping a groove in the plaster and then re-plastering over the cable. It's also a maintenance nightmare.

[willawake]

Re: House Lan Wiring

to clarify, this cabling is already installed in the wall. its a new house. the walls are brick and concrete.

actually the owner said he saw all these cables coming out of the wall in two locations and asked the electrician what it was, he said "computer". he asked him if he was going to make it look nice, the electrician said "no no you call computer man to do this" lol. i guess the fun part will be to see why the hell they have two termination points upstairs and downstairs.

personally i am of the opinion that wireless should be for notebooks only. anyway they have 3 young sons so you can imagine in some years those 3 guys will be installing a mp3 server, movie server, pron server etc . so they will need gigabit eventually....

the krone blocks seem to be much more popular in europe although they are not a new thing. i use them for lan because that is what is available.

i guess this cable is pvc sheath. i will get a pic in comparison to normal cat5e. i cant think why they would use thicker than 24awg so i guess the insulation is thicker only anyway i will try with krone blocks and hope it will punch down.

i was reading about media twist and the pairs are fused and have to be separated. that sounds like fun.

[gonzo0815]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Cat5e cable for installation into the wall is different to the usual confectioned plug ended ones. In most cases the first is thicker, better shielded and the isolation is easier to remove. And the conductor is single wired to fit the crone termination.
Here in Germany in most cases a duplex cable is used, so you have always a double termination in the wall.
You can use it for ISDN too and you have some reserve.
For the termination, the crone punch down is the most popular one, even for telephone cabling.

I have some other terminations, which are more easier to install, but considerably more expensive.

[willawake]

Re: House Lan Wiring

whats a duplex cable?

i like panduit mini-com for 19" patch panels because it is possible to install or replace one without removing the panel as long as side access is possible.
http://www.techmati.com/articles/lan/index5.htm

[bgavin]

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Is your CAT5 for plenum installation? This has a thicker outer covering than standard cable.

I do a very small abount of CAT5 cabling. Solid wire in the walls, stranded wire in the patches. I don't recognize the Krone punch block. Europe only?

I use Leviton punch blocks which are then snapped into the box.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Cable with thicker outer covering is often used through masonry because acids in the mortar eat the standard covering materials.
This is if the cables come into physical contact with the brick work.
Not sure if that's the situation here.

[stretch0069]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Well, get a beer, a chunk of cable, and a punchdown block and see how it goes.

this is one of the best pieces of advice i've ever read.

[willawake]

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and someone cheap to do the job while you drink the beer

[bgavin]

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In California, we use Mexicans for this.



The illegals work everywhere here. Spanish is the official language of the Food Services & Housekeeping Industries. Until the building boom burst, the house builders are almost entirely non-English speaking. The crew boss is the translator (he drinks the beer).

[zandrax]

Re: House Lan Wiring

The illegals work everywhere here. Spanish is the official language of the Food Services & Housekeeping Industries. Until the building boom burst, the house builders are almost entirely non-English speaking. The crew boss is the translator (he drinks the beer).

And he gets a slice of their wages of course . The whole world is a country.

Zandrax

[shadow]

Re: House Lan Wiring

I am thinking of buying an impact punchdown tool.

I have a few questions to those that do a fair amount of networking.
What tool would you recommend and what is the predominate standard used in Australia?

I have heard that a standard 110 punchdown tool can also punch Krone terminals. Is this correct?

[pentium]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Unless I find it dead necessary I rarely use outlets.
I'm more of the guy who uses pre-made lengths of cable, a hole in the wall and twist-ties to keep the wires together.

Once I get my own house I guess I'll go ahead and put some actual wall mounts in.

[willawake]

Re: House Lan Wiring

I am thinking of buying an impact punchdown tool. What tool would you recommend and what is the predominate standard used in Australia?

I have heard that a standard 110 punchdown tool can also punch Krone terminals. Is this correct?

seems like recent stuff can be krone/110 compatible as long as it says so. although if you didnt buy it you probably wouldnt know.

chinese krone tools are $5 on ebay. any branded tool is like $60
i have one tool 66/100 and another krone. i probably wont encounter anything else.

[bgavin]

Re: House Lan Wiring

Years ago, I was told the Harris D814 was "the" standard tool for punchdown work. I've owned mine for years, and it works flawlessly.