PCs aren't extinct

[RJARRRPCGP]

Over at overclockers.com, I see that Intel's cooking up new stuff!

Skylake and Broadwell.

I heard that Broadwell's going to be available for socket 1150.
So, don't chuck socket 1150 motherboards yet!

IIRC, Skylake's going to be the first Intel mainstream platform to use DDR 4.

[eccerr0r]

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Been thinking about one, maybe I can ditch my RadeonHD 5770 GPU someday. I measured its power consumption while idle (computer on but not doing anything) with a Kill-a-Watt:

i7 computer system with 8GB RAM, SSD, and DVDRW drive: 45W
same i7 computer system with RadeonHD 5770 installed: 100W

Wow.

Alas my i7 is a 1155 board I think... so it would mean a full system swapout.

[c_hegge]

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The weird thing is that Skylake is already available for Desktops, but Broadwell isn't. My guess is that they have simply decided to skip Broadwell for Desktops altogether.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Device ID 1912

Like the year of the Titanic sinking. O_O

http://ark.intel.com/products/88191/

[Pentium4]

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Honestly, unless you're doing CAD, tons of video encoding, or folding it seems so pointless to upgrade your desktop CPU. They've advanced so quickly in the last 5 years, that even the Pentiums are very powerful these days. I have had a 2500K in my gaming rig for over 4 years now and the thing does everything very quick with low CPU usage, even in high end games. Even a high end Core 2 Duo will do most of what I want to do in the average day with enough speed.

[Topcat]

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Honestly, unless you're doing CAD, tons of video encoding, or folding it seems so pointless to upgrade your desktop CPU. They've advanced so quickly in the last 5 years, that even the Pentiums are very powerful these days. I have had a 2500K in my gaming rig for over 4 years now and the thing does everything very quick with low CPU usage, even in high end games. Even a high end Core 2 Duo will do most of what I want to do in the average day with enough speed.

This. My office machine is running 5400 series xeons, home system is running 5600 series xeons. Both are old in computer years. no plans to upgrade, no need.

[ratdude747]

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This. My office machine is running 5400 series xeons, home system is running 5600 series xeons. Both are old in computer years. no plans to upgrade, no need.

Same here, My fastest may still use DDR1 but it's fast enough for what I do. Granted, it's probably the nicest system one will ever find that uses DDR1... but still, it runs (not to mention I just really like the motherboard's design and layout).

[eccerr0r]

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Sounds like you guys are actually reinforcing the fact the PC is indeed dead... Not that you aren't using them, but the fact that new ones aren't being bought (market analysts don't care that old ones still can be used).

Then of course the others that have opted for laptops (which are also suffering I hear, but not as bad), tablets, and phones as an alternative to a PC.

The sad thing is that these market analysts will now say "stop making PCs" to increase profits, and when it comes time that you do need to buy a new one... you end up buying the crap that's out there or spend $arm $leg on things that don't have volume discounts.

I may have to end up buying server equipment as an alternative to fast PCs in the future, but even they are starting to go the "micro craze" with soldered SoC's...

[diif]

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The weird thing is that Skylake is already available for Desktops, but Broadwell isn't. My guess is that they have simply decided to skip Broadwell for Desktops altogether.

They are for sale, just not many about. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...pu-31x-ratio-6

[Uranium-235]

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yeah desktops are still needed. My mom has to use hers instead of a laptop because she needs a desk with a good amount of clear space for school

infact I recently built a teacher a new computer (haswell pentium 3.2, 4gb, 1TB WD blue, MSI B85 Millitary class IV, all nichicons, and the main thing she needed was a 24" monitor, increased W7 DPI to 125%). She loves it. Quiet, small uatx case, USB facing up (since I knew the unit would be on the ground, on her right). didn't make terribly much money off it but shes a long-time customer. She hated using her tablet cause of the VERY small text, and even hated her laptop

[lti]

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Honestly, unless you're doing CAD, tons of video encoding, or folding it seems so pointless to upgrade your desktop CPU. They've advanced so quickly in the last 5 years, that even the Pentiums are very powerful these days. I have had a 2500K in my gaming rig for over 4 years now and the thing does everything very quick with low CPU usage, even in high end games. Even a high end Core 2 Duo will do most of what I want to do in the average day with enough speed.

I feel like desktop CPUs haven't advanced much in the last five years, and laptop CPUs got worse. I've mentioned before that even a low-end Core 2 Duo is likely to perform better than the i3-2330M in my laptop. Even if laptop CPUs didn't suck, most laptops are made by Quanta, and their motherboards are bad enough to make Asus look good. I haven't seen one that was stable. Asus boards at least work for a while.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...ell-vs-Skylake

[Uranium-235]

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even a low-end Core 2 Duo is likely to perform better than the i3-2330M in my laptop

what the hell are you smoking? you must of gotten a bad chip or laptop cause the marks shows an i3, even a Pentium (Haswell, ivy/sandy bridge, nahlem) beats the shit out of any core 2 duo, even quads

[lti]

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I've always thought there was something wrong with this laptop, but I never found anything. Nobody else could find anything else wrong either. In applications that can use all four threads, it gets closer to performing as expected based on the benchmark results.

[shovenose]

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I've always thought there was something wrong with this laptop, but I never found anything. Nobody else could find anything else wrong either. In applications that can use all four threads, it gets closer to performing as expected based on the benchmark results.

Weird. An i3 should perform noticeable better. Sure it's not some other problem (low amount of memory, slow hard drive, etc)?

[lti]

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Everything I see indicates that the CPU is slow. It isn't overheating, and there doesn't appear to be anything reducing its clock frequency.

I would expect a desktop i3 to perform better. Based on the benchmarks, a mobile i3 is equivalent to a desktop Celeron.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...2.20GHz&id=757

[ChaosLegionnaire]

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well, PCs arent extinct but the competition is. intel improved cpu power too much with their core line. it also doesnt help that you can overclock recent cpus to 4.5 ghz easily. with such demonic speed, u dont need to upgrade your cpu for at least 5 years (until the software side catches up with the speed) maybe even longer if the green cpu company dont get their head out of their behind.

so the end result we're getting now is lack of competition and innovation. thats why its heading down that dark path. due to intel pulling stunts in their recent cpus due to lack of competition, no one would upgrade from a quad (sandy) to another quad and be saddled with crappy TIM that overheats ur cpu at 80-90°C even when running at stock speed. not unless they need the extra cores from the extreme -E line of cpus.

oh how the mighty have fallen... (my words apply to both the blue faction and the green faction)

[diif]

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I've always thought there was something wrong with this laptop, but I never found anything. Nobody else could find anything else wrong either. In applications that can use all four threads, it gets closer to performing as expected based on the benchmark results.

Your i3 is only has two cores. It's got Hyperthreading which is why it seems to have four cores.

[lti]

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Your i3 is only has two cores. It's got Hyperthreading which is why it seems to have four cores.

I'm aware of that. That's why I said "four threads."

[diif]

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I'm aware of that. That's why I said "four threads."

Yes you did, my mistake.

Regarding your slow laptop. What is it slow doing ? Your cpu has Speedstep, so unless it is being pushed it will seem to have a slow speed.
Nowadays the bottleneck on most PCs/laptops is the hard drive.