I tried Windows 10...

[ratdude747]

Moving this out of the apple thread:

Tried 10, it's shit. I had to uncheck so much bullshit... they want data this and data that back to their servers... NO, NO, NO!!! F*ck off, M$. (OK, I'll let them get error logs, but ONLY because it's still in development, I know the feeling).

Not to mention the remains of what used to be the control panel are no longer sort-able into icons... they force the categorized bullshit... and getting to device manager? Pain in the ass (and bass-ackwards at that).

Also half my hardware on this particular laptop is not usable due to still non-working drivers (although I've had the same issue in 7, thanks for nothing sony!).

Did I mention most things true power users would want access to are hidden more thoroughly than a Where's Waldo book? Jeez, and I thought decorative engine covers in modern cars was a blow against the informed user. You've gotta be sh*tting me!

All in all, I'll keep 7 and Arch linux, 10 is desktop Android at best (better than 8, but not by nearly enough).

[kaboom]

Re: I tried Windows 10...

Moving this out of the apple thread:

Tried 10, it's shit. I had to uncheck so much bullshit... they want data this and data that back to their servers... NO, NO, NO!!! F*ck off, M$. (OK, I'll let them get error logs, but ONLY because it's still in development, I know the feeling).

Not to mention the remains of what used to be the control panel are no longer sort-able into icons... they force the categorized bullshit... and getting to device manager? Pain in the ass (and bass-ackwards at that).

Also half my hardware on this particular laptop is not usable due to still non-working drivers (although I've had the same issue in 7, thanks for nothing sony!).

Did I mention most things true power users would want access to are hidden more thoroughly than a Where's Waldo book? Jeez, and I thought decorative engine covers in modern cars was a blow against the informed user. You've gotta be sh*tting me!

All in all, I'll keep 7 and Arch linux, 10 is desktop Android at best (better than 8, but not by nearly enough).

Sounds like they took the worst of Hate, learned a little, and "made improvements."

No/hard to find devmgr because the "devices" that will be bundled with 10 are just a means to "push" 10 onto the public; they're not actually meant to be serviced/upgraded/troubleshot. Just like those POS acer things that were garbage even when new.

Was my guess about that dumb search thing correct? As in everything you "search" for (including on local system) is queried to M$, so they may datamin- er, "help" you find what you're looking for? Turn off all datamining- they're still gonna profile ya, no matter what they call it, "dev troubleshooting" or whatever euphemism they come up with.

We've gone far down the rabbit hole, but "up" is still the only way out.
Forget "newer is better."
Forget the cloud.
Keep the old hardware alive, and keep any good software that "floods" your basement during torrential rainfail.

They figured they got away with xbone, so why stop there? "If we made them accept that, then dammit, we can make them accept this. We're microshaft and you will use our products."

Wrong. It isn't 1999 anymore.

[shovenose]

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Right, blame Microsoft for your shitty Sony laptop. Windows 8 has noticeable improvements in boot times, performance, and repairability. Windows 10 simply builds on that.

[ratdude747]

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Did I mention that the default "express" setting is to automatically connect to "open" wifi networks? WTF? That's like training a little kid to take suckers from every stranger on the street... yeah, that man's dum-dum is clean I bet .

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That said, at least they brought back the start menu. Although as f*cked up as everything else is, that's more akin to band-aid'ing a scrape when you're bleeding to death from a gunshot wound. Nice try, M$...

[ratdude747]

Re: I tried Windows 10...

Right, blame Microsoft for your shitty Sony laptop. Windows 8 has noticeable improvements in boot times, performance, and repairability. Windows 10 simply builds on that.

Umm no, it booted just as fast as 7 did, actually, it was slower. Besides, I mentioned that it also had issues with drivers in 7 (which I blamed on sony too).

Mind you that I don't like sony laptops either (my pair of such were freebies)... hell, there's a reason why it was my only laptop that wasn't already setup to do something... Aside from those two, I run an ASUS (older, back when they made laptops barebones style) and four dells (3 latitudes and an XPS build like a D series latitude). Yes the Sony's suck... but I wanted a true test and didn't feel like swapping HDDs in one of my decent laptops.

That said, if the OS sucks otherwise, who cares how fast it boots? All that means is the sh*tty experience begins sooner.

Not that it's that fast anyway, at least on my nicest laptop, a dell latutitude E5530 (2.2GHz i7, 8GB DDR3, 120GB intel 520 SSD), arch linux (with gnome 3) boots faster than 7 does... and both boot pretty quick.

[kaboom]

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Did I mention that the default "express" setting is to automatically connect to "open" wifi networks? WTF?

So we're back in 2005-2007? With that rotten control panel, how are you supposed to remove the dead wifi APs that will "accumulate?"

M$- nothing has changed except the degree of arrogance.

Try this. Get 10 or 15 wireless routers, set all SSIDs to their defaults (linksys for example), and watch the "new and improved" steaming pile jump from one "linksys" to another.

Oh, set some to DHCP, and others not to. But don't connect the WAN side of any! You don't want "assistance" for your connection problems, har har.

That said, if the OS sucks otherwise, who cares how fast it boots? All that means is the sh*tty experience begins sooner.

They want the masses to get so pissed off with "peecees" that they run out and get those vile "spybooks," because "they just work."

Yea they do... Hint: they don't "work" for you; they just are gussied up enough to make you think all is well, but what's with that high CPU/LAN usage and poor battery life?

Oogled by google...

Right, blame Microsoft for your shitty Sony laptop. Windows 8 has noticeable improvements in boot times, performance, and repairability. Windows 10 simply builds on that.

Then how come I'm asked to keep people on vista SP2, 7, or (gasp) even XP?

IIRC, you once also claimed vista and 7 to both be the "best OS ever." Nothing personal Mikey, but when M$ says "jump," do you always ask "how high?" This blind following is why some of us get cantankerous. With this computer bullshit getting in peoples' ways, and interfering with whatever they use them for, is it not enough that they waste time and money over this?! To say nothing about having to learn "new tricks" to recover their data and keep semi-custom stuff (auto shops and other "older" software) working... You "get it" when it comes to apple products and related lunacy, so please don't be underhanded with suggestions of "always upgrade" simply because M$'s sockpuppets "said so."

[c_hegge]

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Windows 8 has noticeable improvements in boot times, performance, and repairability.

Whaaat? 8 is kind of OK when it works (if you salvage it with ClassicShell), but repairing it is a NIGHTMARE compared to 7! Tried opting out of a startup repair (which rarely fixes things anyway)? Not going to happen. Or what about trying to get into safe mode then the PC doesn't boot and you can't to the Shift+restart thing? Again, not gonna happen. If they don't fix that in 10, I'm going to be very apprehensive about downgrading. As stated in the Apple thread. It's definitely an improvement over 8, but a sidegrade at best from 7

Performance is somewhat better, but barely noticeable.

[eccerr0r]

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still haven't seen win10 yet. I wonder if it will upgrade the 16GB eMMC Win8.1 tablet that I have. I don't have high hopes...

I haven't even boot win8.1 on that tablet yet, even... been trying unsuccessfully to run Linux on it.

[diif]

Re: I tried Windows 10...

So you tried the beta and didn't like. It's not finished.
To me an Operating System is a platform to launch the software i use. Be that Windows or Linux or OS X.

Surely as engineers we look at the job and pick the right tool ?

Most home users couldn't really care less about their OS, they want the internet for FB and Ebay, a bit of shopping and the odd letter writing.

[ben7]

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So you tried the beta and didn't like. It's not finished.

Yeah, I haven't tried it yet, and I will be waiting a while before I do so, because I'll let them iron it out first, instead of having to deal with all sorts of bugs and crap.

To me an Operating System is a platform to launch the software i use. Be that Windows or Linux or OS X.

Yes, but how easy is it to set up and launch the software you use [on different OSes]?

-Ben

[diif]

Re: I tried Windows 10...

Yes, but how easy is it to set up and launch the software you use [on different OSes]?

Very easy. (i've been doing this for nearly 15 years)
Windows-single instals, deploying across a network or building into an image and deploying.
OSX-built images and deployed or single instals.
Linux-just single instals.

They all launch pretty much the same once installed.

[SteveNielsen]

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I'm not voting because I am choosing not to use Windows at all and using Linux. The one exception is an old laptop that lacks wireless drivers for Linux so it is running XP, although that hardly matters since I'm no longer using wireless either. I have no experience with any Win OS beyond 7 and don't care to. I don't hate Windows, I'm just tired of the attendant bullshit that comes along with it.

[Topcat]

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I tried it....I didn't like it one bit. Its a polished up win8, which does nothing for me either. Still running Server 2008 and win7. I did give up XP, except for 1 dual boot machine I have, so I can use an old legacy scanner and run an old ass version of Nero Burning Rom. I will never float on the clouds!

[shovenose]

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Yes, but with Win8 you can reinstall the OS in two clicks.

The default video driver is actually quite good - you can set a proper resolution while you wait for the drivers to update.

Oh, speaking of updates, the memory leak present in 7 where if you install a lot of updates (200+ updates is easy to achieve on a fresh install even with SP1) it starts to use massive amounts of RAM and slow the system down, well that's fixed in 8+

Even though "Windows Defender" (previous known as Microsoft Security Essentials) is almost completely useless as an anti-virus it's better than nothing when the user is too dumb to install a proper AV.

Also, the Windows Backup & Restore tool in Windows Vista and 7 is pretty good, except for one thing - can't back up to more than a 2TB drive. In Windows 8+ this is resolved.

[Topcat]

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Yes, but with Win8 you can reinstall the OS in two clicks.

S2K8 and W7 don't take many more. I'm not that lazy!!

The default video driver is actually quite good - you can set a proper resolution while you wait for the drivers to update.

So does W7

Oh, speaking of updates, the memory leak present in 7 where if you install a lot of updates (200+ updates is easy to achieve on a fresh install even with SP1) it starts to use massive amounts of RAM and slow the system down, well that's fixed in 8+

I never experienced this....but on that note, when they're updating like that, I don't bother them....I just let them do their thing and go do other stuff....and when I return, they're ready for a reboot.

Even though "Windows Defender" (previous known as Microsoft Security Essentials) is almost completely useless as an anti-virus it's better than nothing when the user is too dumb to install a proper AV.

I run no antivirus software. I've never had an infection. A HOSTS file and careful browsing, you'll be just fine.

Also, the Windows Backup & Restore tool in Windows Vista and 7 is pretty good, except for one thing - can't back up to more than a 2TB drive. In Windows 8+ this is resolved.

Who cares. I backup my systems manually. I don't trust any 'backup software'.

....so tell me again how grand W8 is? I just can't stomach that horrendous interface....not one little bit. Children love it I suppose....but useless for anything productive. I was excited about S2K12 until I found out it was also the donkey shit tiles interface....I mean seriously? A server interface like this?! ...so no S2K12 carved into a workstation. S2K3 & S2K8 Standard was great for this!

[ratdude747]

Re: I tried Windows 10...

Yes, but with Win8 you can reinstall the OS in two clicks.

...and with a Glock you can "end your problems" with just one "click". By install, you mean bow down to M$ and not opt out of all their BS?

The default video driver is actually quite good - you can set a proper resolution while you wait for the drivers to update.

Umm no, at least in 10 my Sony (with primitive hard-switched hybrid graphics) was stuck at 1024x768, no higher options available, at least using the Geforce 7 option, the intel option intalled the right driver from the start and I got the 1200x800. FWIW, the nvidia option doesn't play nice with anything other than the blob driver in linux (which also doesn't play nice with the intel driver, damn you sony!).

[shovenose]

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But how do you know if you have an infection if you don't run anti-virus? Do you at least run a passive scan with something like Malwarebytes once in a while? The worst viruses never alert you to their presence.

[Topcat]

Re: I tried Windows 10...

But how do you know if you have an infection if you don't run anti-virus? Do you at least run a passive scan with something like Malwarebytes once in a while? The worst viruses never alert you to their presence.

I havent done that in years. Typically, I watch services running and network activity to see if there's any strange behavior.

[diif]

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The bug with Windows 7 update installer is an issue when the PC doesn't have much memory. New systems with 8GB don't show an issue but I've seen the memory usage of over 6GB if all of the updates are left to install at once.

If this website isn't hosted at home then it is in the cloud.

[c_hegge]

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The high memory usage bug is actually fixed in windows 7 too. There is an optional update for that.