Windows 10 on a toughbook

[goontron]

the windows 10 preview works well on a Panasonic toughbook cf-19. nice and fast on the 2 core 1.6GHz CPU! i did bump the ram to 4gb however.
don't worry TC, its on a spare drive. im not totally daft
on a side note: my toughbook has GPS, oops

[Topcat]

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as long as its tiles, I will opt out. Windows 7 after SP1 runs fantastic on old garbage hardware, and blazes on good hardware. S2K8 standard does too, and can be carved up a little more than 7...but thats just my preference.

[goontron]

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as long as its tiles, I will opt out. Windows 7 after SP1 runs fantastic on old garbage hardware, and blazes on good hardware.

no tiles here. the toughbook is considered a "pen computer"

[Uranium-235]

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I remember a time when TC cursed windows 7 and said xp 64 is the best OS in the world

the tiles I think are now integrated into the start menu, and dont' launch fullscreen

[diif]

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It's more the monitoring that puts me off in the beta, than the UI.
After seeing the steaming pile of, that was Vista and for certain things Win8/8.1 I'm finding it hard to get excited about Windows 10.

[Topcat]

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I remember a time when TC cursed windows 7 and said xp 64 is the best OS in the world

After SP1, I backed off that....they fixed most all the stupid annoying things wrong with it. XP64 will always hold a special place for OS's in my heart....but it was time to move on. I use Server 2008 standard....carves into a great workstation OS, supported until atleast 2020 by MS, and not all the vista/7 bloat. I must admit, I've grown to like aero....I no longer use the win2k/XP-looking desktop.

[stj]

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the delay routines will be added for the final release.
also the spyware will be hidden

[shovenose]

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After SP1, I backed off that....they fixed most all the stupid annoying things wrong with it. XP64 will always hold a special place for OS's in my heart....but it was time to move on. I use Server 2008 standard....carves into a great workstation OS, supported until atleast 2020 by MS, and not all the vista/7 bloat. I must admit, I've grown to like aero....I no longer use the win2k/XP-looking desktop.

Server 2008 = Vista
Server 2008R2 = 7

So if you like 2008 you like Vista. Hypocrite
Edit: Server 2012 is actually pretty damn good. Try it some day.

[c_hegge]

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^
Server 2012? What on earth was M$ thinking putting metro tiles on a server OS. An OS that would never ever go on a touchscreen device - the only time where metro is in its element.

[Topcat]

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Server 2008 = Vista
Server 2008R2 = 7

So if you like 2008 you like Vista. Hypocrite
Edit: Server 2012 is actually pretty damn good. Try it some day.

I tried 2012. tiles...metro.... Couldn't warm up to it. Carving S2K8 into a useable workstation took some time and experimenting, but was well worth it. I have both R1 and R2. R1 is useful on some older 32 bit hardware. R2 is 64 bit only.

[goontron]

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Windows® is still a bloated pig™ burns through 6GB of memory and a 2GB paging file.

[stj]

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6gig!
linux runs with only 1!!!

[Topcat]

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6gig!
linux runs with only 1!!!

So will windows. It depends on what else is using memory (programs, 3rd party services, bloated drivers). Very reminiscent of Vista in the early days...

[shovenose]

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I tried 2012. tiles...metro.... Couldn't warm up to it. Carving S2K8 into a useable workstation took some time and experimenting, but was well worth it. I have both R1 and R2. R1 is useful on some older 32 bit hardware. R2 is 64 bit only.

I totally agree that the UI on 2012 is ass especially when accessed over Remote Desktop. But a lot of things under the hood are improved and that's what matters on a server IMO.

[Mad_Professor]

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I totally agree that the UI on 2012 is ass especially when accessed over Remote Desktop. But a lot of things under the hood are improved and that's what matters on a server IMO.

I just run linux for server applications.

[mockingbird]

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I remember a time when TC cursed windows 7 and said xp 64 is the best OS in the world

the tiles I think are now integrated into the start menu, and dont' launch fullscreen

After SP1, I backed off that....they fixed most all the stupid annoying things wrong with it. XP64 will always hold a special place for OS's in my heart....but it was time to move on. I use Server 2008 standard....carves into a great workstation OS, supported until atleast 2020 by MS, and not all the vista/7 bloat. I must admit, I've grown to like aero....I no longer use the win2k/XP-looking desktop.

Recently upgraded to a quad-core 771 Xeon and 8GB ram. With all the new parts, I upgraded to Windows XP X64 a few months ago and haven't looked back. For my laptop and gaming computer, I have Windows 7. But for this work computer which I use 90% of the time, the XP GUI is indispensible. Windows Vista+ GUI is just too counterintuitive to use in a productive environment. Anyone who claims the'yre managing with Windows 7 in a productive environment is just engaging in buyers justification, like people who get laser eye surgery.

There are a few minor things with XP64, like for instance how Microsoft never implemented vsync in the GDI+, and Firefox crashing after I launch BF1942 concurrently with it.

For your work computer and the occasional Yotube video, XP and Office 2003 all the way. For everything else, get as fancy as you want. Heck, I'm probably even better off installing Windows 8 on my gaming computer because Windows 8 has much better HTML5 acceleration.

[Topcat]

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Recently upgraded to a quad-core 771 Xeon and 8GB ram. With all the new parts, I upgraded to Windows XP X64 a few months ago and haven't looked back. For my laptop and gaming computer, I have Windows 7. But for this work computer which I use 90% of the time, the XP GUI is indispensible. Windows Vista+ GUI is just too counterintuitive to use in a productive environment. Anyone who claims the'yre managing with Windows 7 in a productive environment is just engaging in buyers justification, like people who get laser eye surgery.

That's definitely subjective for sure. I don't really think its slowed me down.....but there's always soemthing to be said about the XP simplicity. Office 2003 is what I use, its not one iota different in S2k8 or Win7 than it is in XP. Same program, same features, same locations, same functions. The only annoying difference is windows explorer, which I don't use anyway.... Windows explorer in XP is the last time I've used it. Explorer in vista+ is useless. I use XYplorer.

I just run linux for server applications.

Me too.

[c_hegge]

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My other problem with XP these days is that there is no inbuilt TRIM support, so it's not exactly SSD friendly. 7 is no slower on an SSD than what XP is on a mechanical HDD.

[mockingbird]

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That's definitely subjective for sure. I don't really think its slowed me down.....but there's always soemthing to be said about the XP simplicity. Office 2003 is what I use, its not one iota different in S2k8 or Win7 than it is in XP. Same program, same features, same locations, same functions. The only annoying difference is windows explorer, which I don't use anyway.... Windows explorer in XP is the last time I've used it. Explorer in vista+ is useless. I use XYplorer.

Amen, brother. And the built-in search in Windows Vista+ is horrid. I use a program I think it's called FileSearchEX... But all that I could live with. What I can't live with is the very basic UI changes which are very frustrating. Like cutting and pasting into folders, and Windows not understanding whether you want to paste into a folder within the folder or into the parent folder (In XP a white area is a white area), not to mention the new obsession of automatically arranging your folders immediately, whereas new folders in XP are always last. Small things like that are extremely irritating. I was chatting with BigTroll the other day, and he cleverly quipped that if Microsoft ever released Windows 10 with the classic XP interface and called it Windows Classic, it would outsell Windows 10.

When XP came out, ok I was foolishly stuck to Windows ME for too long, I admit it. Partially because XP ran a lot slower, but that isn't an issue anymore. I've used 7 and actively use it, so I wouldn't consider myself a luddite today as I was then. It really is an impractical OS for productive use. When I'm doing odd things, for example amateur hex-editing of firmwares/BIOS, playing around with routers, compiling discs, etc, it would take me 10x longer on Vista+ and I'd be frustrated as heck.

My other problem with XP these days is that there is no inbuilt TRIM support, so it's not exactly SSD friendly. 7 is no slower on an SSD than what XP is on a mechanical HDD.

That's its achille's heel. Though I'd imagine that the amount of XP enthusiasts who would actually need an SSD would be in the 10%. You said 'inbuilt', are you aware of 3rd party solutions for XP? I'm pretty sure this is something that has to be handled by the OS itself...

[canadaboy25]

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I still prefer Windows 2000....