MBZ/MCZ are gone, our nichi favs are next. Lets hope nichicon makes a good replacement
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Nooooooooo. Topcat can't get Panny FJ/FL, so who's gonna replace Nich? Suncon/Sanyo maybe?
EDIT: MBZ/MCZ are not actually discontinued. Rubycon just only sell them to motherboard manufacturers now.Last edited by c_hegge; 07-15-2012, 02:44 AM.I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
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I have heard rumbles about this from a couple unofficial sources, but nothing 'straight from the horses mouth' so-to-speak....but I am stocking up just incase....<--- Badcaps.net Founder
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Noooo!!!!"We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."
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Originally posted by Topcat View Post
heres your 'horses mouth'
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Official enough for me. Noooooooooooooooo!
I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
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People don't buy PCs anymore... When they do, it's either bottom of the barrel stuff they would never get repaired, or really high end stuff that uses good polymers. We'll have to rely on shady Chinese new old stock. I think Samxon stopped making GC/GD a long time ago. And HZ was the only capacitor of its class in production.
The frenzy of fanaticism for polymers also caused this... There's only a few good polymer makers out there, but the plethora of inferior polymer manufacturers have contributed to this... The difference with inferior polymers and inferior electrolytics is that inferior polymers don't usually bloat. Asus and kin will now be able to get away with selling junk.
You have to admit though, they have good reason to discontinue it. I've wondered myself who is actually buying new stock besides ourselves.Last edited by mockingbird; 07-15-2012, 05:35 PM."We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."
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Yup...I guess that's that. Time to really start hoarding, they haven't stopped accepting new orders.Originally posted by Uranium-235 View Post<--- Badcaps.net Founder
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did I do good master? did I do good??
heh really I wish I would of brought it to your attention earlier but while I was going adding nichis to the database and trying to figure out which ones were already schedule to be discontuned I discovered that disturbing little fact
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This is bad news
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The thing that strikes me as odd - not questioning the basic news story - is that I don't see a replacement for these series. Is the HV series as good or better? If not, are some news series about to be rolled out? Or have they come to the conclusion that these series are too finicky to manufacture with consistent quality? Is Nichicon's lunch being eaten by cheap crap combined with short-sighted customer decisions? I'm just trying to figure out what Nichicon is doing in business strategy.PeteS in CA
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No, HV is miniaturized HD, so it's equivalent to Panasonic FR series. And I don't think I've ever seen it stocked anywhere..."We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."
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Looks like we may have to use HD. HD seems fine for motherboards.Originally posted by PeteS in CA View Post
My Asus A7N266-VM has HDs along with HMs. It has HDs next to the DIMM slots.
Looks like Nichicon is trying to shove us to HD. :/Last edited by RJARRRPCGP; 07-16-2012, 03:01 PM.ASRock B550 PG Velocita
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Shoot, they're a step higher in ESR than HM. :/
This looks like short-sighted management at Nichicon.
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That is all sad news indeed
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Indeed.Originally posted by Topcat View Post
I have a good source of used Nichicon HN and HZ in only a few certain sizes, as well as MCZ. Time to heat up the iron and start pulling them.Comment
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So poly-modding motherboards will become routine practice. Right?
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Could poly-modding power supplies be routine practice too?My first choice in quality Japanese electrolytics is Nippon Chemi-Con, which has been in business since 1931... the quality of electronics is dependent on the quality of the electrolytics.Comment
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I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards
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By the way, the table says you replaced the 220uF 16V RLS on the -12V with 330uF 6.3V SEPs.
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One option might be to insert a current sense resistor in series with the cap to compensate for the lower ESR when recapping with poly caps.
I think I might could understand where Nichicon is coming from on their decision to discontinue the series in question... I can only wonder about sales figures... I think that most newer mobos nowadays are being designed with poly caps... there might not be enough demand for those series to justify taking the time and effort to continue doing production runs for them.Comment
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