Have a Gateway motherboard here, has alot of Rubycon ZLs on it, these good? Only two caps I had to replace on this were bloated out Nichicon HMs with the date code 0251 (replaced those with Rubycon MBZ)
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Awesome! They didn't look bad so I left em, board works just fine. Just replaced the two bloated out HMsComment
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All rubycon caps are reliable. They are one of only 3 manufacturers I can think of who have never made a bad series before (the other two are Sanyo and Panny)I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards
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Not only that, ZL is extremely rugged. Rubycon MBZ and MCZ are good but will bulge in moderate heat. ZL can take a lot of heat so are a common choice for server products.Comment
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Actually ZL get used in less strenuous applications because they can't handle anywhere near as much Ripple as MBZ or MCZ.
And 'moderate' is an understatement. 'Excessive' would be more appropriate.
Sanyo and Panny do seem to do better in hot boxes.
MBZ also seems to do better than MCZ in poorly cooled machines like the small Dells.
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Sanyo isn't Sanyo anymore though. Now they are Suncon.
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Well, if ruby MBZ does better than the other slightly lower ESR series like MCZ, it REALLY doesn't inspire much confidence in Nichicon HZ.I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
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I don't buy HZ because I don't trust them. Not fact, just gut feeling.
Any place you -really- need ESR that low can be a polymer anyway.
Seems when they push the electrolyte to the high end it gets less reliable.
How far it gets depends on the brand.
Chemicons crap out at KZG and I think that's what their deal is too.
Got too creative/exotic on the electrolyte.
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Since the discontinuation of MB and MC, I've replaced them with HN, HM, and HZ. So far, I've had no issues....but its too soon to tell. In a few years, I'm sure the toaster boxes will start cooking them, those bastards will roast ANY lytic (dell GX620usff, GX745usff, SX280, etc) including panasonic (the holy grail of lytics IMO).
After the HN and HM debacle of 04, I was leary to say the least.....but panasonic wouldn't even talk to me when I tried to acquire larger quantities....Nichicon would....so that's the way the cookie had to crumble... I have faith in them, I've had no issues....and Nichicon has always been a good brand otherwise. Been using them for about a year now.
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Rubcon says on their site to use ZLH in place of MCZ and that is flat out bogus.
ZLH just doesn't handle near the amount of Ripple MCZ (or MBZ) did.
Took a while but I'm good with HN and HM now.
HZ are pretty much over-kill outside of the VRM Vcore and maybe in RAM.
Between that, not really trusting them and given where their cost falls I'd rather use HN, HM or poly in Vcore and RAM depending on what was there to start with.
Going poly often ends up being cheaper now days anyway. Just makes more sense to me.
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IMO, HZ are overkill anywhere. I've never seen a motherboard come with them, VRM or elsewhere. In fact, I don't often see boards with MCZ or equivilant. It's usually MBZ or equivilant.
I'm perfectly OK with using HM and HN anywhere, I just with topcat would have them in a few more sizes.I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!
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Just observations and speculation here:
I've seen a lot of MCZ or equivalent but mostly after MBZ went away.
I think the switch was partly an availability issue when their heart [or contracts] were set on using Rubycon.
Supermicro tends to use a mix of Sanyo WG and Polys on everything including their non-server boards.
[At least into sockets 771/775. Haven't seen much newer stuff because I don't need it.]
Intel server boards in the same range are pretty similar in so far as the grade of the caps they use but their consumer boards Intel's boards are more like the other brands.
But on their non-server boards Supermicro does use a lot -more- 8mm & 10mm caps outside the VRM than most other brand boards [sometimes 30-40] so that might be part of it.
Another part of it.
The consumer type boards with HN/MCZ-equivalent on the bulk of the board [I think] use them to keep the ESR down without adding to the cap count.
That's also about $$ and eating up board space.
On server boards adding another 10-20 caps isn't going to add much to the cost plus they have lots of 'real estate' to play with.
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