Let's say I buy a new component that has caps from known badcap manufacturers, and I don't use it at all for 3 years. Will the caps in that component still be "new" after 3 years of no use, or could they still turn bad?
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Re: Will the bad caps go bad even if unused?
Yes, I've seen YEC bulged and leaking in original packing, without ever having been in-circuit. An extreme example, but it's been widely used by IBM, among others. -
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i have seen gigabyte server boards with choyo's leaking after being on the shelf several years in a retail store.these boards were still factory sealed.they stunk like dead fish and were leaking.
had a customer bring in a sony ccd-f45 camcorder they bought new and never used.they looked at me weird when i opened the hatch and took a sniff.it needs recapped!but its new!.handed it to customer and let her have a sniff.Comment
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Caps that soil themselves during a year or two or three of non-use have chemistry problems.
OTOH, good mfrs, e.g. Nichicon and UCC (CDE is more vague as to storage time - 5 or 10 years), recommend that caps that have been in storage for 2 or 3 years should be reconditioned by apply rated V thru a 1K resistor for a half hour or so.PeteS in CA
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So I get it.
Brand new caps have to be refridgerated after opening.
When they smell like bad ham, throw out?JimComment
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you could let it boot and stay in the bios for 1 hour. that's what i always do after recapping or when i get new (old) mobo to test. that way the dielectric in the caps could be "rebuilded".days are so short when you actually do something..Comment
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More like really rancid fish, Arneson.PeteS in CA
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and lots of em in a 5 gal.pickle bucket offgas enough to stink up my shop even with the lid on.Originally posted by PeteS in CA
a guy that works with me at my shop thought something died and found the cap buckets the source of the stink.
they stink worse when you unsolder them.
esp the smt ones.Comment
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We got a batch of Jianghai parts once that you could smell before opening the shipping box. After unwrapping some, it took two days to get the smell off my hands.PeteS in CA
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Is jianghai consider to be near an good cap manufacturer?
i need some 16v caps for PSU recaping, those are only ones to obtain at the moment.Comment
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Based on somewhat limited, very abusive tests, I would regard the Jianghai part I tested better than a similar (specs) Lelon part. On the other hand, I regard Nichicon PW, Panasonic FC, or UCC LXZ, which have similar specs, as far better than Jianghai. If it is a system you need immediately, Jianghai might do as a temporary solution, but otherwise I'd suggest looking for sources for parts made by the three 'cons or Panasonic.PeteS in CA
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also, Jianghai smell like dead fish. Surprised you didn't mention that, Pete, as you're the one that originally told us.Comment
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That was in my post above, dated 2/9PeteS in CA
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PeteS. I noted that you have done some heavy cap testing. How was this achieved?
Have you tested Samxon GC series?Gigabyte EP45-DS3L Ultra Reliable (Power saver)
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Samsung 18x DVD writer
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Just wanted to bounce this off you regarding this post. I have an ABit TS-20 micro board that I put in a new case. I built the system, loaded OS, and fully configured it right out of the box. All was well. I shelved it and pulled it back down after six months to put it into use as an upgrade box. It was DOA! I cleared CMOS. Nothing. Tried memory, PSU, and PCI video in slot to see if any sign of life would occur. Nothing. Just for the hell of it I put my PCI POST card in and I get a code 80 which means "waiting to boot OS" The board powers, CPU fan powers, but no video to check otherwise (can't view POST screen). The POST card says it's "alive". This board is riddled with Choyos from 1000uF to 1500uF. No visible crap cap signs. Haven't ESR'd. Would you say it is likely the caps have failed? Shouldn't take more than twenty minutes to re-cap. Feedback?Comment
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I'd look for PSU problems, CPU seating, RAM, CMOS battery and shorts first before suspecting the caps. Choyos do go bad of course, but not on the shelf, unlike YEC.Comment
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