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  • yyzmxs
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    • Apr 2018
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    • Czech Republic

    #1

    Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

    Hi guys,

    a neighbour offered me his TV which stopped working, since he knows I like to tinker.

    First obvious visual red flag, as a plastic bulging on the back over, not too far from the plug ... I immediately think, something blew up on the power supply board. Here's the pic ....



    After I removed the cover (pic below), I am looking at where the bulge is and see obviously one of the green NTC thermistor guys hurting. Using voltmeter to measure ohms, obviously I get out of range figure.



    So here are my questions ...

    1)
    Immediate thought is to replace the NTC thermistor. The value on it reads WMEC
    WTR
    15D2R5

    which I believe means 15mm disc dia., with 2.5ohm resistance value, and 8A peak current, 3.2W power

    Problem is I cannot find exactly the same part or value anywhere (anywhere where I can buy few, not hundreds). The closest I am getting is either larger D or a bit smaller peak amps or power. See example below ...

    https://canada.newark.com/epcos/b572...mm/dp/24AC7709

    My question is is larger diameter bad or it will just dissipate heat better? I assume I cannot go lower on power or amps correct?

    Is there a better place then Newark to buy these things?


    2)
    Not being familiar with the particular component, I wanted learn a bit. It seems that most people suggest that if NTC thermistor blows, it's usually for other reasons than the component being bad or worn out. Having said that, there's no other obvious burnt up spot on the power supply board. Should I be measuring voltages elsewhere on the board to verify whether there's more damage as a result of the NTC failure, or rather something else failing before, causing the NTC blowup. Is it correct to assume that there must have been larger amperage rushing in which the NTC could not take and thus could not dissipate the higher heat value and melted the plastic?


    Thanks very much for trying to help.
    Last edited by yyzmxs; 12-02-2018, 05:43 PM.
  • petehall347
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jan 2015
    • 4426
    • United Kingdom

    #2
    Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

    is the other one working with it ? like in series or parallel ?
    i would be checking for shorted semiconductors first

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    • yyzmxs
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      • Apr 2018
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      #3
      Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

      Well the other one measures about 3.5ohm at 21C. Shorted semiconductors ... you mean like diodes, transistors etc.?

      You think replacing it, is a good chance it will blow right back up again, eh?

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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

        I do not see the pictures of the board.
        P/N BN44-??????
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
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        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • R_J
          Badcaps Legend
          • Jun 2012
          • 9535
          • Canada

          #5
          Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

          If it is a bn44-00807 the green one is a mov 14D751 (location VX801S)
          The thermistor is a 2.5D-15 (Location NT811S)
          Last edited by R_J; 12-02-2018, 06:26 PM.

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          • yyzmxs
            Member
            • Apr 2018
            • 19
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            #6
            Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

            I took a couple more pictures of the board ... It's BN44-00807A



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            • R_J
              Badcaps Legend
              • Jun 2012
              • 9535
              • Canada

              #7
              Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

              Use the Go Advanced and click on the paper clip to attach your pictures

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              • petehall347
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jan 2015
                • 4426
                • United Kingdom

                #8
                Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                pic has vanished

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                • yyzmxs
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                  • Apr 2018
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                  #9
                  Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                  That's odd as far as pictures ... is this site not compatible with Google Drive pics sharing?

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                  • yyzmxs
                    Member
                    • Apr 2018
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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                    How about clicking on these links? Does it work?

                    Back Cover

                    Complete power board

                    Power Board Model

                    Damaged NTC

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                    • R_J
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 9535
                      • Canada

                      #11
                      Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                      how about attaching them to the thread?

                      both thermistors are 15D2R5
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by R_J; 12-02-2018, 08:31 PM.

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                      • yyzmxs
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                        • Apr 2018
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                        #12
                        Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                        I can try that ... so the links I posted last time don't open the pictures either?

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                        • yyzmxs
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                          #13
                          Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                          Pics are attached to the thread now.
                          Attached Files

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                          • yyzmxs
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                            #14
                            Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                            Originally posted by R_J
                            how about attaching them to the thread?

                            both thermistors are 15D2R5 Ametherm SL15 2R507 or Epcos B57237S0259M000

                            https://canada.newark.com/c/circuit-...-25degc=2.5ohm
                            The Ametherm is only good for up to 7A, stock was 8A, isn't that a concern? Epcos is even lower 6.5A ....

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                            • R_J
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                              • Jun 2012
                              • 9535
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                              #15
                              Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                              https://canada.newark.com/w/c/circui...t-at-25degc=8a
                              Amphenol CL-30 2R5 8 amp, 19.56mm diameter

                              The epcos is 8.4 amp at 2.5Ω as soon as the resistance drops to 2.2Ω its at liklely close to 9 amp

                              I would not be too concerened as the main fuse is rated at 5 amp
                              Last edited by R_J; 12-02-2018, 08:46 PM.

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                              • yyzmxs
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                                • Apr 2018
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                                #16
                                Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                                So, that was my initial question .... the larger diameter is not a concern as far as functionality.What's the wisdom here .... the larger footprint, the better heat dissipation?

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                                • R_J
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jun 2012
                                  • 9535
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                                  The larger diameter is not a concern. the only concern would be if not fit is the space on the board

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                                  • yyzmxs
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                                    • Apr 2018
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                                    Got it. So I guess I will go ahead and order a couple of those Amphenols a go from there.

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                                    • yyzmxs
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                                      • Apr 2018
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung UN50JU6500F; Blown NTC thermistor

                                      I replaced the cracked up NTC and so far TV works like new.

                                      Thanks for your help everyone.

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