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  • Truncatedhose
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Oct 2014
    • 343
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    #1

    Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

    Full model: 50PK950-UA.AUSALJR

    Symptom details: When TV is off, it will power on all by itself within 10 min. to 3 hours, but almost always within 30 mins. (more than 30 min. is very rare).

    Note: TV owner later reported TV also turns itself off (rarely), but I've never experienced this (although I usually am leaving it off to troubleshoot the self power-up issue.

    Current state and conclusions: Problem is not on main board or front control panel/sub board (control panel plugs into sub board), but unplugging sub board stops TV from turning itself on, although this doesn't prove it's the cause. (see history below)
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    Detailed history of what I've tried and how I arrived at my conclusions:

    1. Suspecting the main board (because the TV owner hadn't told me the TV turned OFF by itself, too) I sent the main board into an eBay repair service because they said they could fix the self power-up issue, as well as address the common issues with these main boards that I requested they do for preventative maintenance.

    I got the main board back and the TV was still turning itself on. The eBay seller said he didn't experience it turning on by itself before or after testing the board, but I think they didn't even test it long enough and there was a language barrier; I don't know that they even understood the symptom or request. I think they just reflowed the BGA and maybe reflashed the eeprom.

    2. I had a friend with the same model test this main board in his TV to see if it was causing the self power-on symptom and after 2 days, it never turned itself on. I reinstalled the main board into my TV and confirmed the symptom was still present. I talked to the TV owner and asked if the TV ever turned itself off, because I would have suspected the front touch pad (capacitance controls on this model), but they had originally only reported self power-on. They said it rarely DID turn itself off, so my attention was drawn to the front control panel/touch pad.

    3. I first disconnected the cable from the main board going to the front touch pad SUB board (EBR65007705) where the capacitance pads or front control buttons plug into a small circuit board called the SUB board by LG, where the IR sensor also is located. This stopped the TV from turning itself on with repeated and lengthy test periods. I then replugged that cable in and tried JUST UNPLUGGING the ribbon cable that goes underneath the board into the bezel of the TV where the capacitance pad is. Testing showed that the TV would starting turning itself on again in this state. I then repeated the test where I unplugged the SUB board from the main board to confirm THAT is what stops the TV from turning on. Confirmed. Problem found, right? WRONG! Haha.

    4. I ordered a SUB board from eBay, because a new one would take 4 weeks from LG. I put the board in when it arrived, but the TV still turned itself on. I repeated earlier tests and it acted the same way. Could have gotten a bad board from eBay, but doubted it. I borrowed the SUB board from my friend's TV (who didn't want to let me borrow it because he said I MUST have gotten a board and thought my tests PROVE that SUB board is the cause, but I wanted to be sure before ordering the new board from LG). Anyway, the borrowed board ALSO didn't stop the TV from turning on by itself and that board was known to be good because it's been in my friend's TV for days without causing self power-on.

    Conclusion as to why unplugging the SUB board stops the TV from turning on by itself: the TV can't turn on in that way with that circuit disconnected, so it can't prove anything.

    5. I pulled the power supply and resoldered poor connections that I found, but that didn't help.

    6. I posted on badcapsforums because I know my pals here will help me solve this insane problem! LOL
  • Truncatedhose
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    #2
    Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

    Here are the pictures.
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    • dskall
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      • Oct 2016
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      #3
      Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

      Your problem is at the keys not sub board
      I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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      • attainteddragon
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        • Apr 2013
        • 764
        • australia

        #4
        Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

        you could also lift the ir sensor to eliminate it being the problem being a stray signal from there.
        WHY CAN'T PHILIPS USE PHILLIPS HEAD SCREWS?

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        • Truncatedhose
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          • Oct 2014
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          #5
          Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

          Originally posted by dskall
          Your problem is at the keys not sub board
          Okay, thank you, but if that is the case, wouldn't unplugging the "keys" stop the TV from turning itself on by itself?

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          • Truncatedhose
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            • Oct 2014
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            #6
            Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

            Originally posted by attainteddragon
            you could also lift the ir sensor to eliminate it being the problem being a stray signal from there.
            That would be a good suspect, but if that is the case, then replacing the SUB board (as I did) with a known working one would eliminate that as a possible cause, right? The IR sensor is on the SUB board. Or is my logic missing something?

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            • dskall
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              #7
              Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

              Unless I missed something. You said unplugging sub board corrected problem. You replaced sub board and still not working. Did sub board come with keys?
              I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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              • Truncatedhose
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                • Oct 2014
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                #8
                Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                Originally posted by dskall
                Unless I missed something. You said unplugging sub board corrected problem. You replaced sub board and still not working. Did sub board come with keys?
                Unplugging the SUB board stopped the TV from turning itself on, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the SUB board is the cause of the TV turning itself on. Yes, the SUB board was then replaced with a known good board and the TV still turns itself on. The SUB board didn't come with the "keys". They keys were not suspect or replaced because unplugging them from the SUB board did not stop the TV from turning itself on.

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                • dskall
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                  • Oct 2016
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                  #9
                  Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                  I guess I missed part of post where you unplugged the keys
                  I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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                  • Truncatedhose
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                    • Oct 2014
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                    #10
                    Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                    Originally posted by dskall
                    I guess I missed part of post where you unplugged the keys
                    No problem; there's a lot to read up there! I typed up a storm making sure I was detailed. I appreciate you coming into the thread to help and offer suggestions!

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                    • sam_sam_sam
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                      • Jul 2011
                      • 6033
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                      Is there a lot of small UF value caps like 1 to 47uf on sub board

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                      • dskall
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                        • Oct 2016
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                        #12
                        Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                        No bad spots on cable between main and sub? Trying to think what mainboard needs to see to turn tv on and what could fail that would emulate that signal. Don't know what emulate means but thought if I can't dazzle with my brilliance I could baffle with bullshit. Maybe cover ir sensor. I know you replaced but maybe something making it to sensitive. Just throwing things to think about
                        I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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                        • Truncatedhose
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                          Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                          Originally posted by sam_sam_sam
                          Is there a lot of small UF value caps like 1 to 47uf on sub board
                          The last two pictures I posted are of the SUB board front side and back side. The caps on the board are all surface mount; not sure what their values are. I know those caps can get leaky, but again, if that board was bad, then the replacement of it with a tested and good board, would have stopped the problem, right? THAT is my conundrum with this TV: The problem must be somewhere else.

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                          • sam_sam_sam
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                            • Jul 2011
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                            #14
                            Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                            I am wondering if it might be some kind of noise from some where like power supply or from some regular that why I asked the low UF caps

                            I had a TV set that would not turn off and after I replaced almost all the small UF value cap
                            This set worked for about a year and half and now doing the same thing again so I need to work on it again

                            Also most of the low value caps the ESR readings any where from 2X to 3X the value of a new one of the same UF
                            Last edited by sam_sam_sam; 05-30-2017, 05:10 PM.

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                            • sean0118
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                              • Jun 2016
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                              #15
                              Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                              Originally posted by dskall
                              No bad spots on cable between main and sub?
                              ^ This was my thinking as well.

                              If one of the cables connecting the sub board is broken the line might be floating, which can then be pulled up to a high logic value sometime later due to leakage current.

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                              • Truncatedhose
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                                #16
                                Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                                Originally posted by dskall
                                No bad spots on cable between main and sub? Trying to think what mainboard needs to see to turn tv on and what could fail that would emulate that signal. Don't know what emulate means but thought if I can't dazzle with my brilliance I could baffle with bullshit. Maybe cover ir sensor. I know you replaced but maybe something making it to sensitive. Just throwing things to think about
                                No bad spots found. I covered the IR, we'll see what happens.

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                                • Truncatedhose
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                                  Originally posted by sean0118
                                  ^ This was my thinking as well.

                                  If one of the cables connecting the sub board is broken the line might be floating, which can then be pulled up to a high logic value sometime later due to leakage current.
                                  I will double check the cable. Any ways you can think of to isolate or test if nothing visual found?

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                                  • martino
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                                    • Aug 2013
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                                    Swap cable from main to sub with cable from friends TV.
                                    Proud owner of dozens of broken TV's and many,many,many boards.


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                                    • attainteddragon
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                                      • Apr 2013
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                                      ok, lets try something different.

                                      locate the power on pin that goes to the main from the button and sub boards.
                                      what does it read in stby. is the voltage fluctuating from the word go? then monitor that voltage till it powers up, annoying, but could prove interesting. it has to get its command from those boards, i can't see it being the main.
                                      WHY CAN'T PHILIPS USE PHILLIPS HEAD SCREWS?

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                                      • Truncatedhose
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Lg 50pk950 turns on by itself (stumped!)

                                        Originally posted by martino
                                        Swap cable from main to sub with cable from friends TV.
                                        I wish I could, but he's more than reluctant to let me borrow more parts from it. Also, the cable is really buried in it's path from the main board, the way that it's routed under things in the bezel and such; it would be a chore to pull it out. I thought I might just test for continuity between both ends and see if there's any issue.

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