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  • ph3d
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    • Jan 2016
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    #1

    Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

    Hi,

    Bit of background - Was watching the T.V when it just lost picture still had sound - Can see the power light on the T.V flash when I press the buttons on the remote - Turning it on the power light comes on then flashes around 5/6 times and then goes off I think this is possibly indicating no source/signal but not sure.. Can stick one in if needed.

    No flicker or anything just panel stays dark when powering up.

    I am new to this so went out and grabbed a multimeter and hit youtube to watch some videos on troubleshooting.

    I followed the troubleshooting guide here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rc9awtZ5_E

    My Vs when I power on reads 207 as expected but rapidly falls off and stops at 10 Va does the same reads 57 then drops off to 0.

    If I disconnect the controller board or the cable to the Y-Sus board then its still the same - the voltage just drops off straight away after power on it reads the correct 207 voltage for less than a second.

    If i disconnect the cable from the bottom right board in the video (board with vga/usb etc) to the one in the middle where I measure Vs and Va then I get no Vs or Va on voltage and the TV doesnt power on if i hotplug this cable in the TV then powers on and same symptom occurs

    Being a noob I am not sure what to do next.

    I followed a thread on here with the same problem also

    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22449

    but this was never resolved and I think my problem may be a little different as my vs voltage never stabilized with both cables disconnected from the main centre board (not sure the name for this) my T.V would no power on and with only the y-sus disconnected there was no difference.

    Any help appreciated on what I should try and replace or look at next?

    Cheers
    Last edited by ph3d; 01-04-2016, 03:53 PM.
  • ReeceyBurger123
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    • May 2014
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    #2
    Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

    Checked Vs on signal ?
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    • ph3d
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      #3
      Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

      No mate I cant seem to see that I must be going blind - Will it be on the same board as Vs and Va

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      • ReeceyBurger123
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        #4
        Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

        On these Tv's Vs and Va need to be loaded down for the Psu to keep them rails up if not they collapse. Also if the sustain boards are shorted Vs and Va collapse (safety shutdown) you got images at all ? Vs on will be labelled normally comes off the cntrl board to Psu.
        Last edited by ReeceyBurger123; 01-04-2016, 04:09 PM.
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        • ph3d
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          #5
          Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

          Will check that in a moment - Nah no image at all not even the samsung logo on power on or menus

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          • sordids999
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            • May 2013
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            #6
            Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

            i think thats your power supply check VS VA on the power supply first with a multi meter black to tv chassis then red on the test points
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            • ReeceyBurger123
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              #7
              Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

              No I meant images of the boards, also follow what Sordids said.
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              • sordids999
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                #8
                Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rc9awtZ5_E

                may also help more

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                • ph3d
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                  #9
                  Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                  Originally posted by sordids999
                  i think thats your power supply check VS VA on the power supply first with a multi meter black to tv chassis then red on the test points
                  Yeah I have checked VS and VA as stated in the first post I get 207 volts on power on then it falls to 10 for VS in about 1 second and VA gets 57 as it should and falls to 0 within a few seconds

                  Where is VS ON so I can test that?

                  Also the video you posted is the video I posted in my first post also.

                  Cheers

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                  • ph3d
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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                    Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123
                    No I meant images of the boards, also follow what Sordids said.
                    Images of the board are what sordids posted and there are images on the other thread I have linked above also still cant find vs on can you see where on the above board I should be checking?
                    Last edited by ph3d; 01-04-2016, 04:27 PM.

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                    • sordids999
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                      • May 2013
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                      #11
                      Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                      opps and opps i must read more before posting

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                      • ReeceyBurger123
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                        #12
                        Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                        I bet that your Ymain is probably shorted. Do you know how to check for S/C ?
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                        • ph3d
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                          #13
                          Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                          I am going to go ahead and say no.. unless you mean continuity? Even then I have an idea of what it is but I would just need advice on what points to check?

                          Edit: if the Y-main was the problem would VS and VA not be ok with it disconnected
                          Last edited by ph3d; 01-04-2016, 04:31 PM.

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                          • sordids999
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                            #14
                            Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                            if i remember rightly before if the x-main blows it can also take out the ysus plus i would also check to see if your buffer board is ok

                            test this way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51SZsfH60EY

                            so have you followed the video and tested the same way ?

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                            • ReeceyBurger123
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                              #15
                              Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                              Thats correct one sustain board can kill the other, they chain the ERC (enegry recovery circuit) so if one transsistor on the Ysus fails it will creat a short on the ones for the same ciruit on the Xmain which kills then too.
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                              • ph3d
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                                #16
                                Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                                Originally posted by sordids999
                                if i remember rightly before if the x-main blows it can also take out the ysus plus i would also check to see if your buffer board is ok

                                test this way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51SZsfH60EY

                                so have you followed the video and tested the same way ?
                                I have done the tests as posted in the first video

                                I have not done any of the buffer board tests or even looked at it yet will see what I can do and have a look over that I just watched the video and will need to check nothing is blown on there and possibly remove and test for S/C's

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                                • ReeceyBurger123
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                                  You dont need to remove the devices to check for S/C.
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                                  • ph3d
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                                    Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123
                                    You dont need to remove the devices to check for S/C.
                                    Yeah just had a look there - I take it I dont need power either lol.. sorry I am clueless when it comes this - just having a smoke break and watching the buffer board S/C test again before I get back to it.

                                    Anywhere else I should be testing for S/C's?

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                                    • PhaseCoder
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                                      this may help?

                                      https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...light=ps43d450

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                                      • sordids999
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung PS43D450 - No Picture Has Sound.

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnw8BrsQnY

                                        watch and follow this

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