Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode? (Vestel 17PW05-3)

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  • Dang
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    • Aug 2013
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    #1

    Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode? (Vestel 17PW05-3)

    As above, only thing I can see that's different is the peak voltage capability, the SB5100 is part of a series of three in parallel on a Toshiba power supply, thanks.
  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
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    #2
    Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

    No good. Only 60V rated.
    Use: MUR460, HER308G, UF5408 as substitutes.
    (Must replace >600V, bad Vestel design exceeds diode PIV on startup leading to failure)
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    • Dang
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      #3
      Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

      Thanks, knew as much really. So you recommend up-rating all the existing ones to those you've stated?

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      • Dang
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        #4
        Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

        One more question, the existing diodes have a 5 amp rating, I see most of what your suggesting are around the 3 amp rating, does this matter?

        I have three STTH302'S at hand, would these be OK considering the 3 amp rating?

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        • tom66
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          #5
          Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

          5 amp rating is Vestel's lame attempt to reduce power dissipation, realistically the current per diode is low (less than 1 amp typical), what's killing the ones on this set is poor voltage rating. So 5 amp or 3 amp or 4 amp should not matter.
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          • Dang
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            #6
            Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

            Originally posted by tom66
            5 amp rating is Vestel's lame attempt to reduce power dissipation, realistically the current per diode is low (less than 1 amp typical), what's killing the ones on this set is poor voltage rating. So 5 amp or 3 amp or 4 amp should not matter.
            OK, I'll give it ago, thanks for the insight, Andy.

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            • Dang
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              #7
              Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

              Well, it needed replacing and I now have a very small voltage going to the three corresponding capacitors, problem is it's 0.2 of a volt, just way to low. I have measured fluctuating voltages from various places on the board, especially in the HOT areas, problem is I just haven't got a clue as to what might be causing it, I'll get some photos up later with the voltages I see.
              Last edited by Dang; 02-23-2015, 09:41 AM.

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              • tom66
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                #8
                Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                A pulsing converter is usually one of a few things:
                - short on any output (check all diodes, soldering and check main board/LED driver not shorted)
                - bad startup capacitor (small low volt one on primary)
                - bad controller IC
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                • Dang
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                  #9
                  Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                  Here's a few photos I've taken, there's nothing obviously wrong with it that I can see although I have been looking on the net and a repair kit can be had for this failure, I just can't source any information as to what these components are???

                  I've found a thread where you(Tom66) express an issue you had with an Hitachi, problem sounds similar to mine, did you ever find out what the cause was?

                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35376
                  Attached Files
                  Last edited by Dang; 02-23-2015, 12:42 PM.

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                  • Dang
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                    #10
                    Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                    Any ideas on what's in this kit as I'm stuck with this one? I guess I'm going to have to start pulling off components and testing them that way.

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                    • tom66
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                      #11
                      Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                      I only know of shorted diodes being a problem. Who knows, could be bad standby controller, startup cap, or something else entirely, you'd have to test.
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                      • Dang
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                        #12
                        Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                        Originally posted by tom66
                        I only know of shorted diodes being a problem. Who knows, could be bad standby controller, startup cap, or something else entirely, you'd have to test.
                        Going to try that start up cap first I think. I did find this website: http://www.ebastlirna.cz/modules.php...r=asc&start=15, seems to give some good information on the problem, I'm still trying to work out exactly what they're saying though.

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                        • stj
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                          #13
                          Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                          https://translate.yandex.com/
                          paste it there.

                          source is Czech
                          Last edited by stj; 02-24-2015, 06:06 AM.

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                          • Dang
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                            #14
                            Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                            Originally posted by stj
                            https://translate.yandex.com/
                            paste it there.

                            source is Czech
                            , thank you, was using Google translate, just a little disjointed.

                            I seem to have got to the bottom of the problem, at least very close, I can get the Tv to power up but only if I leave out the screws and lift the PSU up slightly, seems it's something to do with the screw hole very near the Varistor, I did test the PSU out of the Tv completely and found all voltages were there, it's only when screwed down that it shows no power, so my guess is it's an earthing issue, seems to short it out some how, does anyone have any ideas on why that may be?

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                            • tom66
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                              #15
                              Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                              I would suggest cold joint - you are flexing the board.
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                              • Dang
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                                #16
                                Re: Vestel 17PW05-3, Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                                Yep, done that already but still no go with all screws in place, with all screws removed and just a gentle lift up, about 5mm, it will work, so there's no flexing.

                                What I've just done now is actually raise the whole PSU by a washers depth and it will now turn on just fine, so it must of been an earthing fault or something shorting to ground, the PSU is isolated by a plastic backing so I can only guess at what.

                                Thanks again, been a great help as usual, Andy.
                                Last edited by Dang; 02-24-2015, 07:49 AM.

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                                • Dang
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode?

                                  MODS, can we please have the model No: Vestel 17PW05-3 added to the beginning of the title to help others who might be having similar issues to mine? thanks.

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                                  • tom66
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode? (Vestel 17PW05-3)

                                    Done

                                    I would be surprised if that is the actual root cause of the fault... it seems unlikely to me.
                                    Last edited by tom66; 02-24-2015, 07:57 AM.
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                                    • Dang
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Will a SR506 diode work in place of an SB5100 diode? (Vestel 17PW05-3)

                                      Tom66, I'm not clear either, I definitely don't think it was a cold or dry joint, when the board was out of the Tv all voltages were present, when installed without the screws it would turn on only when lifted but as soon as the earthing screw holes made contact with there fixing posts it would cut out, gently lift it up again and back on she went, hence the raising of the PSU slightly. It seems to of worked but only time will tell, I'll be using it for the next few days to see if the fault appears again. Thanks for the title Tom66.
                                      Last edited by Dang; 02-24-2015, 08:09 AM.

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