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  • rogerazambuja
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    #41
    Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

    tom66 could this transistor be the problem?

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    • tom66
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      #42
      Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

      Yes that could easily cause your issue.
      That would cause Yfr fault so no or very faint image.
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      • rogerazambuja
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        #43
        Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

        Originally posted by tom66
        Yes that could easily cause your issue.
        That would cause Yfr fault so no or very faint image.
        Then I will buy another one, replace and see what gonna happen.
        Last edited by rogerazambuja; 12-06-2014, 11:13 AM. Reason: I took off the transistor

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        • tom66
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          #44
          Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

          Can you post a picture of the circuit underneath that transistor? It is worth checking the driver components are OK too.
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          • rogerazambuja
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            #45
            Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

            Sure... Unfortunatelly, I think I quickly touched the iron on IC Q5028. Hope it didn't fry .
            Last edited by rogerazambuja; 12-06-2014, 12:31 PM.

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            • tom66
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              #46
              Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

              Q5018, is that just a mark on it, or is that burnt?
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              • rogerazambuja
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                #47
                Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                Originally posted by tom66
                Q5018, is that just a mark on it, or is that burnt?
                It is just a mark, I only noticed when I took the picture. I think I quickly touched the IC (with the iron) when I was trying to take off the transistor, because it was very difficult to do it. :S

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                • tom66
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                  #48
                  Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                  Ok, I'd check U5012 for shorts between pins 3-4, 4-5 and 3-5. That is the most at risk part.
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                  • rogerazambuja
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                    #49
                    Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                    Originally posted by tom66
                    Ok, I'd check U5012 for shorts between pins 3-4, 4-5 and 3-5. That is the most at risk part.
                    I just tested it, no shorts.

                    I assumed that these pins are the pins below, right? Like this:

                    1__ 2

                    3 4 5

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                    • tom66
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                      #50
                      Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                      1 and 2 are the other way around.
                      Pins are read anticlockwise from pin 1.

                      Try replacing the FET/transistor, and let us know how it goes.
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                      • rogerazambuja
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                        #51
                        Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                        Originally posted by tom66
                        1 and 2 are the other way around.
                        Pins are read anticlockwise from pin 1.

                        Try replacing the FET/transistor, and let us know how it goes.
                        Sure. I don't think that this transistor is available at eletronics shops in my city, so I will buy in a website that is kind of a "Brazilian ebay".
                        Thanks a lot for helping. I let you know if it will work.

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                        • rogerazambuja
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                          #52
                          Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                          The transistor has arrived, I will test today.
                          Is it worth to replace the transistor and before to turn on the whole set, unplug the panel, then unplug x-main in order to see what is the problem if the transistor blow up again?

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                          • rogerazambuja
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                            #53
                            Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                            Originally posted by rogerazambuja
                            The transistor has arrived, I will test today.
                            Is it worth to replace the transistor and before to turn on the whole set, unplug the panel, then unplug x-main in order to see what is the problem if the transistor blow up again?
                            I'm about to replace the shorted transistor right now. Should I do these steps mentioned above?

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                            • rogerazambuja
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                              #54
                              Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                              I did replace the transistor... no success, still no picture. At least the transistor didn't blow up.

                              I think I have to replace both Y-main and X-main boards like the tech said. But I'm afraid to buy those boards and the problem be the panel. Is there really no way to test the panel?
                              Last edited by rogerazambuja; 12-12-2014, 03:27 PM.

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                              • tom66
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                                #55
                                Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                                Without an oscilloscope, unfortunately not.

                                (The oscilloscope would verify the Y-main and X-main work. If these boards work, it would indicate the panel is bad)

                                A cheaper option may be worth trying: the control board. It's rare, but it can fail where the light blinks, but there is no picture.
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                                • rogerazambuja
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                                  #56
                                  Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                                  Originally posted by tom66
                                  Without an oscilloscope, unfortunately not.

                                  (The oscilloscope would verify the Y-main and X-main work. If these boards work, it would indicate the panel is bad)

                                  A cheaper option may be worth trying: the control board. It's rare, but it can fail where the light blinks, but there is no picture.
                                  I read in some samsung's bulletin that if the fuse on E-buffer board is not blown then the panel is ok. Is that correct?

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                                  • tom66
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                                    #57
                                    Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                                    That can be one of the ways a panel fails but in that case you would have a subtle glow from the screen but no image on it.
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                                    • rogerazambuja
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                                      #58
                                      Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                                      Originally posted by tom66
                                      That can be one of the ways a panel fails but in that case you would have a subtle glow from the screen but no image on it.
                                      Understood.

                                      I will try to figure out what I'm gonna do with my TV. Maybe I will take it to another tech in my city and see what he is gonna say about it, or maybe I will try to contact Samsung's assistance in a city 350km from here
                                      Anyway, thanks a lot for helping.

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                                      • rogerazambuja
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                                        #59
                                        Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                                        Originally posted by tom66
                                        Without an oscilloscope, unfortunately not.

                                        (The oscilloscope would verify the Y-main and X-main work. If these boards work, it would indicate the panel is bad)

                                        A cheaper option may be worth trying: the control board. It's rare, but it can fail where the light blinks, but there is no picture.
                                        tom66, just a last question: Do you think that a fail in control board could cause the "explosion" that I heard when picture was gone and that transistor on Y-main to get shorted?

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                                        • tom66
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                                          #60
                                          Re: PL51D550C1G Plasma Samsung - No picture, but sound is ok

                                          There is a small possibility that could cause the fault.
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