Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

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  • Wyld_Goose
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    • Apr 2013
    • 32
    • United States America

    #1

    Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

    Ok as the titles says, I'm working on a Insignia NS-LTDVD26. Everything seems to work fine (DVD player, antenna, rca, vga, blah blah) for about 3-6 minutes and it turns off, sorta.

    So let's start: standby LED comes on "red" voltage checks good.
    Turn on the set, LED turns blue, good to go.
    When the set "turns off" audio and video turn off, but blue LED stays lit. Doesn't go back to standby red, doesn't turn off, stays blue.
    The unit won't turn off when I hit the power button, I have to literally unplug it (or turn off the power strip it's plugged into)

    Now I say to myself, "this seems like a classic cap issue", especially after seeing a power board full of Capxon caps. eekk! So... I order my caps get them in and change out all but the main. (actually I ordered the wrong size diameter cap for C113. Left the original cap [samxo 220uF 16v] in the board. I could get the one I ordered to fit if I need to but there is going to be some rigging. If not, i'll order another. But at this time I'm not sure it's really the problem.)

    Ok so I power up the unit knowing I just brought the nearly dead back to life. Wrong! It does the same thing by shutting off after 5 mins. So I crack open the back, plug the unit back in, turn it on and observe, listen and smell. Well after 5 mins. it shuts off again, but that's when I saw something really cool. A green LED on the power board "DB9A" is blinking in reps of 8, then pausing a second, then repeats as long as I keep the power on. I haven't found anything online about what that green LED is trying to tell me, but besides the blue power LED, this green LED is letting me know there is still power working.

    In the mean time I find a schematic for this power board at:
    http://monitor.net.ru/forum/files/mi..._______205.pdf
    For me it's like reading another language that you only know how to read "hello", "goodbye", "what time is it" and all of the main curse words (hey those are important to know).

    OK now it's time to test transistors. I haven't messed with them before. I test everything that looks like a transistor only to realize they're not all transistors....I think. I'm testing in board with my multimeter set to diode. OK I test:

    Q102(transistor)
    1-3=109
    1-2=530
    2-3=OL
    3-1=109 (UH OH!)
    3-2=410
    2-1=OL

    Q103(transistor same type as Q102
    1-3=109
    1-2=527
    2-3=409
    3-1=108 (HMMM!)
    3-2=409
    2-1=OL

    Q104 (transistor)
    1-3=OL
    1-2=OL
    2-3=559
    3-1=719 (LOOKS GOOD)
    3-2=559
    2-1=OL

    BD1 (Bridge rectifier)
    1-2=550
    1-3=550
    1-4=520
    2-3=530
    3-4=550
    4-3, 4-2, 4-1, 3-2, 3-1, 2-1 = OL
    Seems good

    Q101 (transistor)
    1-3=694
    1-2=519
    2-3=OL
    3-1=1013 (OH CRAP!!)
    3-2=1979
    2-1=OL

    D101 (I think it's a diode rectifier)
    1-2=416
    2-1=OL
    Seems good

    D103 (I think it's a diode rectifier and a zener *what ever that is*)
    1-3=001
    1-2=173
    2-3=(number climbs up past 2000 then OL)
    3-1=001
    3-2=170
    2-1=OL
    Not sure if this is testing good, rather what to be looking for to know that it's testing good.


    Q8 (transistor) *backside of the board*
    1-3=OL
    1-2=OL
    2-3=OL
    3-1=OL
    3-2=556
    2-1=OL
    Is that testing good?

    Q101, Q102 and Q103 seem bad to me. I haven't pulled them out of the board to test yet. As you can see they are attached to heatsinks. I don't have any thermal paste except the arctic silver I bought long ago for my PC CPU/Heatsink. Not sure if I want to really use the good stuff on this project or if that is even stuff that should be used on this.

    So.. beyond the first question of whats the conclusion of my tests, the 2nd question would be what paste do I use when I replace the transistors?

    3rd question would be; how do you order the resistors? I guess better, what type are they? When I go to DigiKey and type in K3316 it comes back with the message "your a moron, try again", when I do a search of transistors, there are a bunch of different types. I could go through looking at the pictures to determine which types I'm looking for, but could still be wrong.

    Q102 & Q103 clearly say on them:
    K3316
    8C


    As for Q101, I think it says:
    FB G53
    FOFF
    13N5CC


    I'm sure I will be able to see that one better when I pull it out. Well, that's where I'm at. I'd rather not go any further without advice.

    Hope the pics are good enough. Tried to help a little and explain better with the last 4 pics
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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

    Testing transistor in the circuit can give you wrong reading due to the resistors and other components are connected to all 3 legs of the transistor.
    Since the power supply/inverter board has labels telling you what the voltages should be, I would take the measurement when TV is working (it does have good pictures with the video source feeding it right, if no video present, it will go into standby after few minutes or so), then take the reading when it goes off. By the way, do you hear any squealing sound from the power supply board, if that big cap is bad, it will make buzzing sound. Take the DC reading on the two legs of that large cap also.
    Here are the pictures of the one I repaired:
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/bud...?sort=3&page=1
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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    • retiredcaps
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2010
      • 9271

      #3
      Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

      Originally posted by budm
      Testing transistor in the circuit can give you wrong reading due to the resistors and other components are connected to all 3 legs of the transistor.
      Yes, in circuit readings are highly unreliable. If you suspect a shorted component, you will have to desolder the component and verify.
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      • Wyld_Goose
        Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 32
        • United States America

        #4
        Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

        don't hear any squeeling or buzzing. measured the main cap on standby = 159.7v, with unit turned on = 389v, and when the unit "trips off" = 389v

        I don't know how I'm going to test the voltage of the transistors while the unit is on. I had been testing with the diode testing from the back of the board touching the pins, but to do it with the unit on, I would need to probe the legs of the transistors and that's a tight squeeze not to make contact with something else.

        The board doesn't have any normal tell-tale signs. Nothing burnt, no smells, no discolor.. nothing. The main cap? Is it at the voltage it's supposed to be when the unit is on?

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        • budm
          Badcaps Legend
          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

          Check the voltages on the connectors as you can see, there are voltage labels next to the connectors. The main cap voltage is correct, and by the way, do you see anypictures on the screen during the 5 minutes before it goes into shutdown?
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          • Wyld_Goose
            Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 32
            • United States America

            #6
            Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

            yes, there is picture. I have a dvd playing so I have a signal

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            • Wyld_Goose
              Member
              • Apr 2013
              • 32
              • United States America

              #7
              Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

              "Check the voltages on the connectors" are you talking about the pin connector behind the words "didn't replace cap" on my 8th pic?

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

                Yes, those white connectors.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • Wyld_Goose
                  Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 32
                  • United States America

                  #9
                  Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

                  ok weirdness!

                  there are 13 pins but 5 things (6 if you count the second ground) to check.

                  stand by
                  +5=0.68
                  SB=0.68
                  VS=5.32
                  +5=0.68
                  +12=0

                  Unit on
                  +5=5.29
                  SB=3.13
                  VS=5.32
                  +5=5.32
                  +12=12.13

                  when unit trips
                  +5=0.86
                  SB=2.67 whoa! Unit comes back on. seems to stay on

                  hmmm. do it all over again. boom same results. and one more time to be sure. presto it comes back on and seems to stay on. I follow the connector ribbon cable to the main board and it appears not to be seated all the way in on one side. reseat the cable. boom the thing stays on now.

                  Tell me this isn't what the problem was.

                  Retested connectors after I reseat the main board connector
                  stand by
                  +5=0.68
                  SB=0.68
                  VS=5.32
                  +5=0.68
                  +12=0

                  Unit on
                  +5=5.29
                  SB=3.13
                  VS=5.32
                  +5=5.32
                  +12=12.13

                  are those voltages correct for standby?

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                  • johnboy1313
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 1959
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

                    Looks corrrect. I bet you're all good now. Didn't hurt anything to change those caps though.

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                    • budm
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

                      VS (5V) = Standby voltage, always on power supply. It is used to run the processor on the main board.
                      +5, +12 = Switched power supply, only comes on when power switch (or Remote turn on) is activated which will cause the main board to send out PS_ON signal.
                      SB (same as PS_ON) = <1v = off, >2.54 = on, it is generated by the main board, it is used to turn on the +5V, +12V power supply section.
                      Last edited by budm; 05-01-2013, 10:59 AM.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • Wyld_Goose
                        Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 32
                        • United States America

                        #12
                        Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

                        thanks all

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                        • venu
                          New Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 1
                          • Indian

                          #13
                          Re: Insignia NS-LTDVD26-pwr board MIP260B- tracking down shut down issue

                          Dear sir i want to know the registers and transistes numbers RD11,RD9, RDS1, RDS2,RDS3, RD1 QD2 QD1, DD1 send me the same value's thanq sir
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