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    DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

    I got a DX-LCD32-09 from a friend. She says that is always warmed up slowly (about 1 minute) but it worked, until recently. Now when it powers up, it slowly gets to an all white screen (30 seconds). I looked at this forum (https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...ht=DX-LCD32-09) which seems similar but it was inconclusive. Here is what I have.

    1. When I power up, the screen lights up erracticly (see Power-Up photo sequence).

    2. If I cycle through the input modes, the screen is black on other modes.
    2A. Unless I have a device attached to that input.
    2B. Attached are photos showing the TV with a computer attached through the VGA and a VCR attached through the Y-R-W connectors.
    2C. With devices attached, I have vertical lines

    3. The sound is good. When playing the VHS tape, I can hear the sound fine, but the pictures is vertical lines.

    4. I looked at referenced forum above and measured resistances on the T-Con. They were within tolerance as noted in that append. I did not measure voltages since that requires having the power board off to the side.

    5. If I try menu options from the remote, all I get is the white screen.
    5A. While I cannot see anything on the screen in menu mode, I can reference the user manual to make adjustments. For example, I can navigate to the picture controls and adjust brightness, color, contrast (at least the white screen changes).
    5B. I navigated to the Setup-Restore Factory Defaults. I think I did right (twice) but no change.
    5C. As noted above, the input select mode also works.

    6. I looked at all my boards. I did not see any obvious capacitor problems (no burned/brown spots, no rising tops, no bloated sides).

    So I know I have a bad board, but I don't know which one to focus on. I figure it is one of the main, inverter, or T-con. I am not suspecting the power. I tend not to think is is the main since functions seem to work, but I could be wrong on this. I am hoping that someone can help narrow down the board based on the images shown.

    I realize that additional information may be required from me to further diagnose this problem. I just need a better starting place.

    Thanks,
    Ron
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    #2
    Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

    Some additional information. I checked the power outputs from the power board. There are three sets of connectors down the left side. In the lists below, the first value is the value written on the board; the second value is the reading; the third value, if shown, is the value written on the target board if different than power board. Starting from the top, here are my readings:

    First connector:
    PON 2.5
    GND 0
    5V 5.3 STB
    GND 0
    GND 0
    16V 15.5 12V
    16V 15.5 12V
    GND 0
    5V 5.2
    GND 0
    9V 9.0
    GND 0
    32V 32.3

    Second connector:
    PON 5.3
    PWM 3.5
    GND 0
    GND 0
    GND 0
    24V 23.3
    24V 23.3

    Third connector:
    PON 5.3
    PWM 3.5
    GND 0
    GND 0
    GND 0
    GND 0
    GND 0
    24V 23.3
    24V 23.3
    24V 23.3
    24V 23.3
    24V 23.3

    Th 16V values are slightly low but higher than the target board values. The 24V values are also slightly low. I am thinking that these values are "close enough" to meet specification. Or do I really have a problem with the 24V values?

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      #3
      Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

      You can try recaping at 1st, that is low cost

      Start with c533 534 537 549 ... and see if 24V improves.
      Check connectors for TCON...

      Here is what i think a SM for Power board of that TV.
      Attached Files

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        #4
        Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

        The pictures you have looks like either bad T-CON or LCD panel. The backlights is working, otherwise you will not have backlights, 24V power supply for backlights does not have tight regualtion, so 23.3V is OK (your meter accuratecy does matter also).
        Please post the pcitures of the T-CON boards.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          #5
          Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

          I am going to lean more towards panel just due to the un-eveness of the picture. But, bad connection from the ribbon cables coming from the T-CON is also known to do that.

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            #6
            Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

            Here is a picture of a samsung ln-s3241d that had a bad tcon. The screen did a washout effect once it was turned on with horizintal lines in it.
            Attached Files

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              #7
              Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

              To me it looks like a T-con which has too low supply. I have seen the same issue with some a few LCD monitors with bad caps.
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                #8
                Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                I got down to the T-Con card (again). This time I hooked up the TV so I could power everything and take voltage measurements. I am also attaching internal photos.

                Referencing the post in my initial post, I took voltage measurements on the T-Con. These are as follows:

                VGL: -6.5
                VDDD: 3.4
                VDDA: 15.1
                VGH: 22.4

                These seem pretty close to the referenced appended so I think they might be close enough. As I said in the first post, the resistances on the T-Con also seemed to be close enough.

                I then took voltage measurements on all pins between the Main board to the T-Con board (since the T-Con does not get power directly from the Power board), measuring on the Main board. There are 40 pins available in two rows of 20 each; odd numbers on one side, even numbers on the other. The measurements are as follows:

                1, 3, 5: 12.2
                7, 9, 11: 0
                13,15,17: not used
                19, 21: 12.2
                23, 25, 27: not used
                29, 31, 33, 35, 37, 39: 0

                2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20: not used
                22: 1.3
                24: 1.2
                26: 1.3
                28: 1.2
                30: 1.3
                32: 1.2
                34, 36, 38: 1.3
                40: 1.2

                I am not seeing enough to isolate the problem. Nothing seems so far off as to be the cause of my problems, but I am sure I am missing something that is obvious to others.

                I hope the attached photos are sufficient to help. They are the largest size and highest density I could take with my camera.

                Thanks to all,
                Ron
                Attached Files

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                  #9
                  Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                  Just to cheer you up a little - that's definitely NOT the panel. The problem is either on the mainboard or on the tcon.

                  Use a hair drier to heat each board in sequence, to know which board is at fault. When you warm the boards up, i'm 100% sure you'll get a good picture. The bad news is it could be an internal defect that you won't be able to locate on the board, and you'll have to swap the whole thing. But at least you'll be able to narrow it down to one of the boards.
                  Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                  Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                  A working TV? How boring!

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                    #10
                    Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                    Originally posted by bitbinder View Post

                    Referencing the post in my initial post, I took voltage measurements on the T-Con. These are as follows:

                    VGL: -6.5
                    VDDD: 3.4
                    VDDA: 15.1
                    VGH: 22.4

                    These seem pretty close to the referenced appended so I think they might be close enough.
                    Just a comment on "close enough". Unless you are using an analog multimeter, you should report all the digits in your readings. Don't round up or down either.

                    Some components have a tolerance of +/- 1%. Having only one decimal place isn't enough resolution to determine if the component is good or bad.

                    Even the cheapest digital multimeter today can report 2,000 counts.
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                      #11
                      Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                      I tried the suggestion from Th3uN1Qu3. I thought this was a really good suggestion - non-invasive and isolating the bad card. First, I hooked up a computer to the VGA input so I had a stable/unchanging line pattern image. I heated both boards in succession, first on low (got no change) then on high. There was no change in the line pattern at all, and certainly no real picture. I then tried heating other parts of the TV. I tried the power board and the inverter boards. I tried heating around the frame where there are supposedly connections to the panel. No matter where I heated, there was no change in the line pattern.

                      I hate to just start replacing parts, shooting in the dark.

                      Thanks again,
                      Ron

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                        #12
                        Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                        Have you tried powering the TV off and then back on after you heated the boards?
                        Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                        Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                        A working TV? How boring!

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                          #13
                          Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                          I did not power off/power on the TV after heating the boards yesterday. I tried the power on/power off approach today. No change - just the lines on the TV.

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                            #14
                            Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                            I have been conducting more experiments trying to isolate my problem. As I have already said, I get a vertical line pattern when hooking up devices such as a computer. Using a computer attached to the VGA port, I can get an unchanging line pattern on the TV if my computer has a static image. If I change the image on the computer, the line pattern on the TV changes but once the new pattern appears, it does not change.

                            So I started thinking: shouldn't bringing up the Menu on the TV force a different image and shouldn't this cause the TV line pattern to change? It seems that it should. But it does not. Bringing up the Menu causes no change to the line pattern on the TV even though there is supposedly a new image being displayed.

                            So I am leaning very much toward thinking my main board is bad. I just haven't convinced myself this is true.

                            Ron

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                              #15
                              Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                              The fading pattern to me looks like a t-con issue though.
                              Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                              For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                                #16
                                Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                                I have the same tv and the same problem. Have you gotten anywhere on this? I have replaced the main board with a used Ebay board and the problem is unchanged. I can tap on the benzel around the screen and can get the picture to come on and sometimes it will stay on till the next time i turn the tv on then its repeat the tapping around the screen. The problem has gotten worse now to where i can't get the picture to stay on and if i grip the top corners and give the tv a twisting the picture will come on, i can then shake it and the picture will stay on but as soon as i let go its back to the lines. I have reseated the t-conn connections to no avail so i am down to bad panel due to tabs or the t-conn board. Have you done anymore to try to solve your problem?

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                                  #17
                                  Re: DX-LCD32-09 No Picture - Good Sound

                                  I have given up trying to fix this TV. I could not isolate the problem so I just sold the TV for $25 for parts. I read too many horror stories about Dynex TV quality, Best Buy service, and people replacing boards to no avail.

                                  To eagle00799: I read a forum post somewhere in which the guy found loose connectors along the side of his LCD display. He had to dismantle the entire TV, try to reseat all the connectors, and then reinforcce the connectors with cardboard between the connectors and the frame. You might explore this as a possibility. This is not the problem I was having; I never got any picture at all.

                                  This is my last post to this topic. Thanks to all who offered advice.

                                  Ron

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