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  • japlytic
    Badcaps Legend
    • Oct 2005
    • 2086
    • Australia

    #1

    Digital power factor correction

    http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/c/...dCampId=adspfc
    http://www.powerpulse.net/story.php?storyID=22410

    Marvell also has a discrete digital PFC solution as well.
    I think microcomputer control for PFC and DC-DC converters (isolated and non-isolated, including plugpacks and ATX power supplies) is a great idea.
    My first choice in quality Japanese electrolytics is Nippon Chemi-Con, which has been in business since 1931... the quality of electronics is dependent on the quality of the electrolytics.
  • everell
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jan 2009
    • 1514
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Digital power factor correction

    Looks like an interesting device. They claim that it "improves energy efficiency". Just don't let pcbonez see this one - he emphatically says that PFC cannot improve efficiency. We don't want to start another war on this thread!!!
    Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)

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    • 370forlife
      Large Marge
      • Aug 2008
      • 3112
      • United States

      #3
      Re: Digital power factor correction

      They might mean it makes the PFC circuit waste less energy.

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      • Per Hansson
        Super Moderator
        • Jul 2005
        • 5895
        • Sweden

        #4
        Re: Digital power factor correction

        Originally posted by 370forlife
        They might mean it makes the PFC circuit waste less energy.
        In other words increasing efficiency?

        Okok, I'll try to not ruin this thread too
        You with me PCBONEZ?
        "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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        • PCBONEZ
          Grumpy Old Fart
          • Aug 2005
          • 10661
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Digital power factor correction

          Here's an idea.
          Use ONE less light bulb in your house.
          A 25 watt would be enough.
          You'll save as much or more than PFC saves you and you won't have to pay for extra parts in your PSU to support the power companies agenda and wallet.

          That's how big an advantage PFC is to CONSUMERS.

          .
          Mann-Made Global Warming.
          - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

          -
          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

          - Dr Seuss
          -
          You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
          -

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          • Toasty
            Badcaps Legend
            • Jul 2007
            • 4171

            #6
            Re: Digital power factor correction

            Originally posted by everell
            Looks like an interesting device. They claim that it "improves energy efficiency". Just don't let pcbonez see this one - he emphatically says that PFC cannot improve efficiency. We don't want to start another war on this thread!!!
            I feel and Everell project coming on...

            Oh come on! It's neat to watch the grumpy bastard grind the meat into pâté!!

            [ as long as it's not YOUR meat ]

            Kick 'em when they're up
            Kick 'em when they're down
            Kick 'em where they sit
            Kick 'em all around
            veritas odium parit

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            • PCBONEZ
              Grumpy Old Fart
              • Aug 2005
              • 10661
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Digital power factor correction

              I get knocked down ♫ ♫ ♫ ♪
              But I get up again ♫ ♪♫ ♪♫ ♪
              You ain't never going to keep me down ♪ ♫ ♪ ♪♫ ♪ ♪ ♫
              Mann-Made Global Warming.
              - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

              -
              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

              - Dr Seuss
              -
              You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
              -

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              • Krankshaft
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jan 2007
                • 2328
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Digital power factor correction

                I agree with PC PFC means shit to me if the power co starts charging me for poor PF then I'll pay attention.

                The only thing PFC did for me in the 1 active PFC supply I have is it buzzes like all hell on my APC modified sine UPS it's not too noisy but noticeable. I love that word modified sine more like 3 stepped square wave.
                Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                • everell
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 1514
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Digital power factor correction

                  Originally posted by Toasty
                  I feel and Everell project coming on...
                  Cirrus Logic claims that their new CS1500 chip uses a "digital solution" rather than the usual analog circuits. That definitely means the power supply will have greater efficiency.......doesn't it?????

                  I think a Bestec ATX-250 12E would look cool with DM311 5vsb mod, a CS1500 APFC mod, and a driver transistor mod between PWM chip and PWM FET transistor. That would mean that the "mains" capacitor would be running with 385 to 400 volts instead of 320 volts. Interesting (maybe spectacular!)................
                  Attached Files
                  Old proverb say.........If you shoot at nothing, you will hit nothing (George Henry 10-14-11)

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                  • Toasty
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 4171

                    #10
                    Re: Digital power factor correction

                    Yes. You have proven the "spectacular" point several times, IIRC....

                    Will I be able to see that from NJ???
                    veritas odium parit

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                    • PCBONEZ
                      Grumpy Old Fart
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10661
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Digital power factor correction

                      OH I KNOW!
                      -
                      We could require all new refrigerators to have 6" of insulation instead of the typical 2" because that motor with the sucky PF kicking on all the time in millions of refrigerators is hurting the power companies wallet.

                      Oh and another!
                      -
                      Take that power hog 50-200 watt video card you have to recycle and use the on-board instead.
                      [And if you didn't and you're hooting about PFC being green then you're a hypocrite.]

                      .
                      Mann-Made Global Warming.
                      - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                      -
                      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                      - Dr Seuss
                      -
                      You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                      -

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                      • Toasty
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 4171

                        #12
                        Re: Digital power factor correction

                        Oh god! Too much sugar in the coffee again, eh?
                        veritas odium parit

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                        • 370forlife
                          Large Marge
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 3112
                          • United States

                          #13
                          Re: Digital power factor correction

                          Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                          Take that power hog 50-200 watt video card you have to recycle and use the on-board instead.
                          [And if you didn't and you're hooting about PFC being green then you're a hypocrite.]

                          .
                          Reminds me of the Toyota Prius. Sure they put out less emissions, but how much more emissions are put out making the car with all the extra crap that goes into them?

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                          • PCBONEZ
                            Grumpy Old Fart
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 10661
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: Digital power factor correction

                            Originally posted by 370forlife
                            Reminds me of the Toyota Prius. Sure they put out less emissions, but how much more emissions are put out making the car with all the extra crap that goes into them?
                            Good point.
                            Mann-Made Global Warming.
                            - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                            -
                            Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                            - Dr Seuss
                            -
                            You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                            -

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                            • ratdude747
                              Black Sheep
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 17136
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: Digital power factor correction

                              Originally posted by PCBONEZ
                              OH I KNOW!
                              -
                              We could require all new refrigerators to have 6" of insulation instead of the typical 2" because that motor with the sucky PF kicking on all the time in millions of refrigerators is hurting the power companies wallet.

                              Oh and another!
                              -
                              Take that power hog 50-200 watt video card you have to recycle and use the on-board instead.
                              [And if you didn't and you're hooting about PFC being green then you're a hypocrite.]

                              .
                              and trash that sweet muscle car and buy a tiny ricer too...

                              video card upgrades use more juice but enhance performance... bad analogy, but i see your point.
                              sigpic

                              (Insert witty quote here)

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                              • PCBONEZ
                                Grumpy Old Fart
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 10661
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: Digital power factor correction

                                Originally posted by ratdude747
                                and trash that sweet muscle car and buy a tiny ricer too...
                                You'll do more harm to the environment manufacturing that ricer than maintaining the muscle car ever would.
                                Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                -
                                Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                                - Dr Seuss
                                -
                                You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                -

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                                • weirdlookinguy
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Sep 2007
                                  • 1638

                                  #17
                                  Re: Digital power factor correction

                                  Originally posted by ratdude747
                                  a tiny ricer
                                  Rice is when some dumbass makes a laughingstock out of an import by trying to make it look cool. Normal import =/= ricer.

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                                  • PCBONEZ
                                    Grumpy Old Fart
                                    • Aug 2005
                                    • 10661
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: Digital power factor correction

                                    Rice Grinder = Jap Bike.
                                    Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                    - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                                    -
                                    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                                    - Dr Seuss
                                    -
                                    You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                    -

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                                    • weirdlookinguy
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Sep 2007
                                      • 1638

                                      #19
                                      Re: Digital power factor correction

                                      Ahh, I see.

                                      Good to know .

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                                      • Per Hansson
                                        Super Moderator
                                        • Jul 2005
                                        • 5895
                                        • Sweden

                                        #20
                                        Re: Digital power factor correction

                                        Originally posted by everell
                                        That would mean that the "mains" capacitor would be running with 385 to 400 volts instead of 320 volts. Interesting (maybe spectacular!)................
                                        Please do have a camera running when you try it the first time
                                        "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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