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  • budm
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    Originally posted by bianchi77
    and bad 2SC5763 as well...hfe = 18...minimum 20
    You need to learn how to read the spec sheet.
    Is the tester testing at the 'TEST CONDITION'.

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  • budm
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    Originally posted by bianchi77
    I got bad 2N60, C = 1.06 nF...on the datasheet, maximum = 350 pF
    You need to learn how to read the spec sheet.
    https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...a4e657e4a3.pdf
    Is the tester testing at the 'TEST CONDITION'?
    And which 'C' is that the tester referring to?
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    Last edited by budm; 10-13-2016, 08:54 PM.

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  • bianchi77
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    D9 is short it goes 0 ohm on both direction...is it 1N4148 ?
    Last edited by bianchi77; 10-13-2016, 08:43 PM.

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  • bianchi77
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    I'll check D9,D10,D12.D16

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  • bianchi77
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    and bad 2SC5763 as well...hfe = 18...minimum 20

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  • bianchi77
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    I got bad 2N60, C = 1.06 nF...on the datasheet, maximum = 350 pF

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  • momaka
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    Originally posted by bianchi77
    which capacitor are you talking about ? I never unsoldered it...
    It looked like you had unsoldered a capacitor next to C17 and diode D7 (next to 5VSB wire). But if you didn't then that's perhaps how the PSU came (I wouldn't be surprised.)

    That said, those burned resistors are typically a result of 5VSB over-voltage or 5VSB regulation going bad. This happens if the output capacitor(s) on the 5VSB rail fail, the "critical" 5VSB cap on the primary side fails (typically it's a 10-47 uF, close to the 5VSB transformer... looks like possibly C8 in your PSU), or if the 5VSB is ran without output capacitors. Hence why I thought you had removed it.

    Either way, before you even try to do anything else in the PSU, first the 5VSB rail must be fixed and working and showing 5V +/-0.25V at most. Then you check the standby secondary auxiliary rail (can be measured at one of the didoes next to 5VSB transformer on the secondary side, possibly D9, D10, or D12... one way to recognize it is to look on the trace side of the PCB and see which diode is connected to a pin on the 5VSB transformer.)

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  • bianchi77
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    which capacitor are you talking about ? I never unsoldered it...

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  • momaka
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    I see missing electrolytic caps on the 5VSB line. Did you by any chances plug in this power supply without those caps? If yes, that usually causes an over-voltage on aux. secondary side of the 5VSB transformer, and probably the reason those two resistors burned.
    Point in case: do NOT test electronics with capacitors removed.
    Last edited by momaka; 10-11-2016, 10:19 PM.

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  • budm
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    35VDC is the gestimate Voltage, the cap is rated at 50VDC.

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  • bianchi77
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    Originally posted by budm
    "I tested the resistance from pin 7 and 8 to GND = 300 ohm..." That cannot be right, they are way too low. So lets say that the Supply Voltage is 35VDC, that means the current through 1K will be about 27mA and most Vdrops will be on the 1K resistor so the power dissipation for the resistors will be about 3/4 W, those 1K resistors are rated 1/8 W or more if the supply Voltage is higher than 35V.
    So 2005 needs to be replaced, I reckon...

    power dissipation is P = V^2 / R = 35^2 / 1K3 = 0.942 W, that's why it was burned...how do you get 35VDC from ?
    Yes it's rated 1/8W, I've replaced it with 1/4W, but I haven't changed 2005 chip, not yet arrived...

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  • budm
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    "I tested the resistance from pin 7 and 8 to GND = 300 ohm..." That cannot be right, they are way too low. So lets say that the Supply Voltage is 35VDC, that means the current through 1K will be about 27mA and most Vdrops will be on the 1K resistor so the power dissipation for the resistors will be about 3/4 W, those 1K resistors are rated 1/8 W or more if the supply Voltage is higher than 35V.

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  • bianchi77
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    D19 is ok....600mV on diode tester...

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  • bianchi77
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    D19, I got it....near Q6 and Q5...I'll test it...
    I tested the resistance from pin 7 and 8 to GND = 300 ohm...
    D19 test...I'm doing it right now...
    Last edited by bianchi77; 10-10-2016, 11:46 PM.

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  • bianchi77
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    Q5,Q6 hfe test = 400 and Vf = 600mV
    I can't find where D19 is ?
    Last edited by bianchi77; 10-10-2016, 11:37 PM.

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  • budm
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    To have those pull-up resistors burnt up, it must have lots of current flowing through them to GND return, one will be the Drive output pin 7 and pin 8 are shorted out to GND pin of 2005, or the B-E junction of Q5, Q6 through D19 to GND.
    You should verify first if those two resistors are connected to pin 7, pin 8 of the IC, then check the resistance between GND pin and pin 7, pun 8.
    BTW, one thing we know based on the diagram, the filter cap is rated at 50VDC so the supply could not have been more than 50V.
    Last edited by budm; 10-10-2016, 10:31 PM.

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  • bianchi77
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    R34 and R33 suppose to be 1K ohm....I don't know what the value is after burned....could be shorted..

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  • bianchi77
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    those resistors are related with 2003 straight away....I'll test the transistor near by (Q5 and Q6) and show you the result...I reckon they are ok, but 2003 has a problem...

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  • bianchi77
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    Re: 12V rail is not on ?

    Resistors photos
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  • bianchi77
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    Just now, I saw two burned resistors....near to 3.3V rectifier....I'll show the pictures...hold on...I'll take picture of them...that's why I saw a smoke yesterday, and it was resistor burn smell yesterday, but haven't seen it yet until now...R33 and R34
    Last edited by bianchi77; 10-10-2016, 09:50 PM.

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